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: 1 of 25 No. 13-12923 IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT JANE DOE NO. 1 AND JANE DOES NO. 2, Plaintiffs-Appellees I. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Defendant-Appellee ROY BLACK ET AL., Intervenor/Appellants INTERVENORS' RESPONSE TO MOTION TO DISMISS NON-PARTY INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL Roy Black
to Mr. Epstein's attorneys was produced to plaintiffs, not correspondence authored by Mr. Epstein's counsel during the course of the negotiations. See United States' Response to Supplemental Briefing in Support of Motion to Intervene (Doc. 100) at 2 ("To the knowledge of the government, the Jane Does have only r
ea negotiations is protected by the work product privilege, it stopped short of advocating the recognition of a settlement/plea 'Plaintiffs rely on the Tenth Circuit's lack of awareness that Perlman had ever been applied outside the grand jury context, Motion at 16-17, but a quick Westlaw search demonstrates that
: 1 of 25 No. 13-12923 IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT JANE DOE NO. 1 AND JANE DOES NO. 2, Plaintiffs-Appellees I. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Defendant-Appellee ROY BLACK ET AL., Intervenor/Appellants INTERVENORS' RESPONSE TO MOTION TO DISMISS NON-PARTY INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL Roy Black
to Mr. Epstein's attorneys was produced to plaintiffs, not correspondence authored by Mr. Epstein's counsel during the course of the negotiations. See United States' Response to Supplemental Briefing in Support of Motion to Intervene (Doc. 100) at 2 ("To the knowledge of the government, the Jane Does have only r
ea negotiations is protected by the work product privilege, it stopped short of advocating the recognition of a settlement/plea 'Plaintiffs rely on the Tenth Circuit's lack of awareness that Perlman had ever been applied outside the grand jury context, Motion at 16-17, but a quick Westlaw search demonstrates that
, 337 F. Supp. 2d 146 (D.D.C. 2004) 20 Kimberlin v. DOJ, 139 F.3d 944 (D.C. Cir. 1998) 13 Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia Univ. v. U. S. Dep't of Homeland Security, 407 F. Supp. 3d 334 (S.D.N.Y. 2019) 19 Kubik v. U.S. Fed. Bureau of Prisons, No. 10-6078-TC, 2011 WL 2619538 (D. Or.
ecifically, the events of the night of Epstein's apparent suicide attempt, at issue in Tartaglione. See Letter dated January 13, 2020, Dkt. No. 186, United States v. Tartaglione, No. 16 Cr. 832 (KMK); Letter dated January 21, 2020, Dkt. No. 193, 8 EFTA00071595 Case 1:20-cv-00833-PAE Document 41 Filed 01/15/
t as the Government explained, even if this Court 6 EFTA00071593 Case 1:20-cv-00833-PAE Document 41 Filed 01/15/21 Page 11 of 25 does not follow the Tenth Circuit's per se rule and instead applies a more practical approach, the documents at issue were still compiled for law enforcement purposes. See BOP MOL at 8
p. 2d 423 (S.D.N.Y. 2008) 7, 8 Renegotiation Bd. v. Grumman Aircraft Eng'g Corp., 421 U.S. 168 (1975) 13 Robbins, Geller, Rudman & Dowd, LLP v. United States Sec. & Exch. Comm'n, No. 3:14-CV-2197, 2016 WL 950995 (M.D. Tenn. Mar. 12, 2016) 22 SafeCard Sens., Inc. v. S.E.C., 926 F.2d 1197 (D.C. Cir. 1991) 5
61 Case 1:20-cv-00833-PAE Document 25 Filed 08/05/20 Page 9 of 30 night, Noel and Thomas have been charged with one count of conspiring to defraud the United States and to make or use a false writing or document, and five counts of making or using a false writing or document. See Capone DecL ¶ 9; Noel Indictment
No. 13-CV-7360 (JPO), 2015 WL 5459713 (S.D.N.Y. Sept. 16, 2015), Judge Oetken concluded that Williams did not require the per se rule, did not adopt the Tenth Circuit's per se rule for BOP records, and followed a "practical approach," observing that "[t]he ordinary understanding of the term [law enforcement] includ
p. 2d 423 (S.D.N.Y. 2008) 7, 8 Renegotiation Bd. v. Grumman Aircraft Eng'g Corp., 421 U.S. 168 (1975) 13 Robbins, Geller, Rudman & Dowd, LLP v. United States Sec. & Exch. Comm'n, No. 3:14-CV-2197, 2016 WL 950995 (M.D. Tenn. Mar. 12, 2016) 22 SafeCard Sens., Inc. v. S.E.C., 926 F.2d 1197 (D.C. Cir. 1991) 5
44 Case 1:20-cv-00833-PAE Document 25 Filed 08/05/20 Page 9 of 30 night, Noel and Thomas have been charged with one count of conspiring to defraud the United States and to make or use a false writing or document, and five counts of making or using a false writing or document. See Capone DecL ¶ 9; Noel Indictment
No. 13-CV-7360 (JPO), 2015 WL 5459713 (S.D.N.Y. Sept. 16, 2015), Judge Oetken concluded that Williams did not require the per se rule, did not adopt the Tenth Circuit's per se rule for BOP records, and followed a "practical approach," observing that "[t]he ordinary understanding of the term [law enforcement] includ
, 337 F. Supp. 2d 146 (D.D.C. 2004) 20 Kimberlin v. DOJ, 139 F.3d 944 (D.C. Cir. 1998) 13 Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia Univ. v. U. S. Dep't of Homeland Security, 407 F. Supp. 3d 334 (S.D.N.Y. 2019) 19 Kubik v. U.S. Fed. Bureau of Prisons, No. 10-6078-TC, 2011 WL 2619538 (D. Or.
ecifically, the events of the night of Epstein's apparent suicide attempt, at issue in Tartaglione. See Letter dated January 13, 2020, Dkt. No. 186, United States v. Tartaglione, No. 16 Cr. 832 (KMK); Letter dated January 21, 2020, Dkt. No. 193, 8 EFTA00088616 Case 1:20-cv-00833-PAE Document 41 Filed 01/15/
t as the Government explained, even if this Court 6 EFTA00088614 Case 1:20-cv-00833-PAE Document 41 Filed 01/15/21 Page 11 of 25 does not follow the Tenth Circuit's per se rule and instead applies a more practical approach, the documents at issue were still compiled for law enforcement purposes. See BOP MOL at 8
p. 2d 423 (S.D.N.Y. 2008) 7, 8 Renegotiation Bd. v. Grumman Aircraft Eng'g Corp., 421 U.S. 168 (1975) 13 Robbins, Geller, Rudman & Dowd, LLP v. United States Sec. & Exch. Comm'n, No. 3:14-CV-2197, 2016 WL 950995 (M.D. Tenn. Mar. 12, 2016) 22 SafeCard Sens., Inc. v. S.E.C., 926 F.2d 1197 (D.C. Cir. 1991) 5
78 Case 1:20-cv-00833-PAE Document 25 Filed 08/05/20 Page 9 of 30 night, Noel and Thomas have been charged with one count of conspiring to defraud the United States and to make or use a false writing or document, and five counts of making or using a false writing or document. See Capone DecL ¶ 9; Noel Indictment
No. 13-CV-7360 (JPO), 2015 WL 5459713 (S.D.N.Y. Sept. 16, 2015), Judge Oetken concluded that Williams did not require the per se rule, did not adopt the Tenth Circuit's per se rule for BOP records, and followed a "practical approach," observing that "[t]he ordinary understanding of the term [law enforcement] includ
, 337 F. Supp. 2d 146 (D.D.C. 2004) 20 Kimberlin v. DOJ, 139 F.3d 944 (D.C. Cir. 1998) 13 Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia Univ. v. U. S. Dep't of Homeland Security, 407 F. Supp. 3d 334 (S.D.N.Y. 2019) 19 Kubik v. U.S. Fed. Bureau of Prisons, No. 10-6078-TC, 2011 WL 2619538 (D. Or.
ecifically, the events of the night of Epstein's apparent suicide attempt, at issue in Tartaglione. See Letter dated January 13, 2020, Dkt. No. 186, United States v. Tartaglione, No. 16 Cr. 832 (KMK); Letter dated January 21, 2020, Dkt. No. 193, 8 EFTA00099609 Case 1:20-cv-00833-PAE Document 41 Filed 01/15/
t as the Government explained, even if this Court 6 EFTA00099607 Case 1:20-cv-00833-PAE Document 41 Filed 01/15/21 Page 11 of 25 does not follow the Tenth Circuit's per se rule and instead applies a more practical approach, the documents at issue were still compiled for law enforcement purposes. See BOP MOL at 8
v. Morgan State University, 495 Fed. Appx. 286, 289 (4th Cir. 2012); the Ninth Circuit has applied Perlman in a case arising under 28 U.S.C. §2255, United States v. Gonzalez, 669 F.3d 974, 977 n.2 (9th Cir. 2012), and in a civil case, S.E.C. v. CMKM Diamonds, Inc., 656 F.3d 829, 830-31 (9th Cir. 2011); the Si
d by the work product privilege, it stopped short of advocating the recognition of a settlement/plea negotiation privilege under Rules 410 and 501. See United States' Response to Supplemental Briefing in Support of Motion to Intervene (Doc. 100). The government's institutional interests differ significantly from t
ort of Motion to Intervene (Doc. 100). The government's institutional interests differ significantly from those of attorneys who Plaintiffs rely on the Tenth Circuit's lack of awareness that Perlman had ever been applied outside the grand jury context, Opposition at 6, but a quick Westlaw search demonstrates that
v. Morgan State University, 495 Fed. Appx. 286, 289 (4th Cir. 2012); the Ninth Circuit has applied Perlman in a case arising under 28 U.S.C. §2255, United States v. Gonzalez, 669 F.3d 974, 977 n.2 (9th Cir. 2012), and in a civil case, S.E.C. v. CMKM Diamonds, Inc., 656 F.3d 829, 830-31 (9th Cir. 2011); the Si
lege is a non- litigant, Wilson, 621 F.3d at 643.2 The grand jury limitation for which plaintiffs argue simply does not exist. 2 Plaintiffs rely on the Tenth Circuit's lack of awareness that Perlman had ever been applied outside the grand jury context, Opposition at 6, but a quick Westlaw search demonstrates that
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