Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you were visiting and you happened to bump into each other. You actually went to see him while he was an inmate in jail? A. Right, yes. Q• Okay. So when we're talking about the 101 criminal investigation, we're talking about the criminal investigation revolving around the allegations of Jeffrey Epstein engaging in sex acts with minors? MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. That's the criminal investigation you're talking about, right? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't know the full definition of really what happened there. I know that it was something to do with solicitation of prostitution. That's all I read. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Were you aware that the allegations revolved around underage girls or girls under the age of 18? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I was aware it revolved around it, yes. 3527-003 Page 101 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_UXX0776 EFTA00159583

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Who first made you aware of that? 102 A. The newspaper. Q. Were you ever questioned by the police? A. I don't know who questioned me, actually. I did have a questioning session, but I don't even remember who questioned me. Q. Where did that take place? A. I don't remember. Q. At your house? A. No. I'm thinking it was Jack Goldberger's office, or it may have been downtown at the Palm Beach County Courthouse or something in that area there. Q. Okay. So it either happened at an attorney's office that represented -- A. Exactly, yeah, I think so. Q. -- Jeffrey Epstein or the other side? A. Yeah. Q. And during that questioning, is that when you turned over the passenger manifest from prior to 2005? A. Yes. Q. And you turned those manifests directly over to Jack Goldberger? A. Yes. Actually, I believe Dave Rogers did that. I wasn't in possession of those records. 3527-003 Page 102 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009777 EFTA00159584

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 103 Q. And for the passenger manifest prior to 2005, how far do those passenger manifests go back in time? A. They should go back, I guess, to 1991 or whenever we started existence. Q. And did you turn them over from 1991 all the way through to 2005? A. I don't know. I didn't turn them in. Dave Rogers did. Q. Are you in possession of a copy of any of those materials? A. No. Q. I thought that, you know, ten minutes ago when we were talking about this you said you had them back at an office or -- A. That was the office, the airplane office, which I've given to Bruce, which is the current log. He is in possession of them now. I had possession of them. Q. Okay. What he's in possession of -- just so I know what documents are where, he's in possession of the passenger manifests from 2005 through the present? A. Correct. Q. If I want to obtain the passenger manifests from 1998 through 2005, that's something that I would request from whom? THE WITNESS: Help me out. That's -- 3527-003 Page 103 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009778 EFTA00159585

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 104 MR. REINHART: If you know. THE WITNESS: I don't know who possesses them right now. They were turned into Jack Goldberger's office a year and a half or two years ago. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. You started out by indicating that you sent these passenger manifests, or a copy thereof, to Darren Indyke or someone at NES, LLC; is that correct? A. Correct. Q. If I requested them from NES, LLC, that's somebody at some point in time was in possession of all the passenger manifests? A. Sure. Q. And NES, LLC's address is the one you gave me at A. I believe so. I don't know what address they're using for that. I know that -- Q. But Darren Indyke's the attorney that I would call -- A. Yes, sir. Q. -- and he could probably steer me in the right direction? A. Yes. MR. CRITTON: Form. 3527-003 Page 104 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009779 EFTA00159586

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you know A. Yes. Q. How do you know her? A. She was on the airplane. Q. How old is she? 105 A. I have no idea. Q. Age range? A. Twenty-eight. Q. Now? A. Yeah, 28, or maybe if not older now. She was probably 28 probably, I guess. She was somebody in her late 20s. Q. So we're talking about 2003? That's what I'm trying to understand. A. I'm guessing. Q. We're talking 2009 now. We're saying 28. By that do you mean in 2003 she was 23 or 24 years old? A. You're having me guess on her age. Q. Yeah. A. I mean, I can't be accurate. Q. Somebody between 18 and 25? MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. At the time you were seeing her back in -- 3527-003 Page 105 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009780 EFTA00159587

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 106 A. If you want me to guess -- Q. No, I don't want you to guess. A. I don't know then. Q. Well, if I say between ten and fifty? A. That's a range. Q. If I say between ten and fifty, you're not guessing there anymore. You know she's in there, right? A. She's in the middle there, yeah. Q • Okay. How can we narrow that down? We're talking about somebody in her 20s? A. In her 20s. Q. At least that's what you believed? A. Yes. Q. All right. Is that somebody that you know to be associated or friendly with Ghislaine Maxwell? A. I don't know. Q. Do you know what her relationship was to Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell? A. No. Q. Do you know where she is now? A. No idea. Q. When's the last time you talked to her? A. I don't know. What date do you have on there? Q. February 2003. A. So, probably that long ago. I may have said 3527-003 Page 106 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009781 EFTA00159588

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 107 hello. Q. That's somebody who was on the airplane multiple times? A. More than once. I mean, I have no account for how many times. Q. Well, I've asked you about a bunch of names, most of which you don't really remember, but that's one name you do remember. A. Yeah, I remember the name, yeah. Q. Okay. And that's somebody who you actually -- you would remember the face too? A. I might remember Amy's face. Q. All right. Do you remember why she would have ever been on your airplane? A. No idea. Q. President Andres Postrana, at the time I guess that was the president of Colombia back in February -- sorry, March 20th of 2003. Do you know who that is? A. I don't remember him being on the airplane, but I know who that is. Q. Okay. He's on the airplane with Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Jean Luc Brunel? A. Where did we go? Q. I'll let you look at it. I'm talking about 3527-003 Page 107 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009782 EFTA00159589

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 108 this line, PEI, left out of Palm Beach? A. Palm Beach to Nassau. I'm sorry, I don't remember that one. Q. When we're saying we're going down to Nassau, is that a place that you frequently went to with the airplane? A. No, not at all. Q. And is that a route that you would take for the ultimate destination to be Little St. James? A. No. Q. If the ultimate destination was Little St. James -- show me a flight where the ultimate destination was Little St. James. A. Yeah, right here. TIST, that's St. Thomas. O. Okay. So on that flight that you just pointed to, March 27th, 2003, we have Jeffrey Epstein, again, Brent Tyndall -- do you know who Brent Tyndall is? A. Yes. Q. And who is that? A. I believe he was the chef. Q. And (phonetic), is that somebody you know to be a model these days? A. I have no idea. Q. Do you remember that flight? 3527-003 Page 108 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009783 EFTA00159590

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 109 A. No. Q. Do you remember Naomi Campbell, picking her up from St. Thomas along with Jean Luc Brunel? A. I remember her being on board. I don't remember the flight. Q. Do you know Joel Pashcow? A. Yes. Q. How do you know him? A. He was on the airplane. Q. And is that somebody you knew at one point in time to be a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's? A. He was on the airplane. I don't know what the relationship was. Q. Do you know what the relationship is today? A. No idea. Q. How about Todd Mister, do you know what that relationship is or was today? A. No. Q. Do you remember him? A. No. Q. Not at all? A. I mean, I know the name. I don't know. Q. Paula Epstein, do you know who that is? A. Yes. Q. Who is that? 3527-003 Page 109 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009784 EFTA00159591

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. That's Jeffrey's mom. Q. She's passed away? A. Yes. Q. At least that's your understanding, right? A. That's what I heard, yes. Q. Okay. , do you know her? A. I know the name. Q. Somebody who flew on the airplane with some 110 regularity? A. Yes. Q. And do you know her to be friends of Ghislaine Maxwell or or Jeffrey Epstein? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I have no idea who she was friends with. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. Do you know what role she ever played, if she played one, in Jeffrey Epstein's life? A. No. Q. All right. Glenn Dubin, are you familiar with him? A. Yes. Q. How do you know Glenn Dubin? A. I met him on the airplane. Q. Outside of the airplane, have you ever seen 3527-003 Page 110 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009785 EFTA00159592

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 111 him around Jeffrey Epstein? A. No. 4• All right. A. No. O. , do you know that name? A. No. O. She was on several flights. You don't remember seeing her? A. No. Q. All right. And how about Alan Dershowitz, I'm sure you know who that is? A. Sure. He's famous. Q. What was your understanding of Alan Dershowitz's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? A. Never talked about it. Q. Forrest Sawyer, do you know why he was on your airplane? A. Never heard the name, actually. Q. Really? A. No. Q. Larry Summers? A. I know the name. I don't remember flying him. Q. Have you ever talked to Joe Fontanela? A. Yes. Q. How do you know him? 3527-003 Page III of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009786 EFTA00159593

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 112 A. He usually drops Jeffrey off at the airport. Q. In fact, you've called him directly before, right? A. Yes. Q. You still have his number? A. I haven't -- yes, I think I still got it in my memory. Q. Okay. What is it? A. It's been a few years. . It's kind of an easy one. MR. CRITTON: 917 is the first THE WITNESS: Yes. MR. CRITTON: Who was this for? MR. REINHART: Joe, Joe Fontanela. MR. EDWARDS: Fontanela. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you know his address, where he resides? A. No, I don't. Q. Do you know if he -- what his role is in Jeffrey Epstein's life? A. Not really. He just -- he drove the car. Q. He drove what car? A. The car up in New York. Q. Okay. Do you know if he's a housekeeper up at that house up in New York? 3527-003 Page 112 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009787 EFTA00159594

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 113 A. I don't know what his role is. Q. Have you ever worked for a company called Air Ghislaine? Do you know that company? A. Yes. Q. Do you know what that company does? A. No. Q. Have you ever been an employee of that company? A. No. Q. Do you know who runs that company? A. No. Q. Is Jeffrey Epstein associated with that company? A. I don't know. Q. How have you heard of that company? A. It's the company name that our registration for the helicopters is under, Air Ghislaine. Q. Is that somebody who's ever paid you, a company who's ever paid you? A. No. Q. Do you know Igor Zinoviev? A. Yes. Q. How do you know him? A. Met him on the airplane. Q. What is your understanding of his affiliation 3527-003 Page 113 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009788 EFTA00159595

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 114 with Jeffrey Epstein? A. I don't know. He doesn't talk much. Q. Okay. And Sandy Berger, do you know who that is? A. I don't know. Q. Do you know any reason why you would have flown him on the airplane? A. I don't even know the name. Q. A. I know the name Q. Somebody who flew on the plane pretty regularly? A. I would have to look at the logs. I think we've had that name on several -- it's a common first name. I'm not familiar really on who that is. Q. What about , do you know who is? Is that a name you ever heard? A. Yes. Q. Works up in the New York office or something? A. Yes. Q. Have you ever spoken with personally? A. Yes. Q. Do you know what she does for Jeffrey Epstein, if anything? A. I don't know exactly what her role is. 3527-003 Page 114 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009789 EFTA00159596

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 115 Q. Do you know -- did you tell me, do you know what Leslie Gruff does for Jeffrey Epstein? A. I don't know her exact title. Q. You talked to all of these individuals at some point in time, either on the phone or in person, right? A. Yes. Q. And you don't know whether they play a role in Jeffrey Epstein's life, or if they do, what they do? A. Exactly. Q. And how do you decide who you're going to call for what reason? A. For example? Can you be more specific? Q. If you're going to make a telephone call and you're going to talk to let's say Leslie Gruff, why would you choose to call her? A. I don't know. You're having me make the phone call. I don't know why I would call her. Q • Have you ever called her? A. I think, yes, I've called her, sure. Q. Why? What would be the reason that you would call her? Somebody told you to call her? Here, call this number? A. I may have called her maybe to find out if we had a departure time for any specific trip. I mean, that would be.. . 3527-003 Page 115 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009790 EFTA00159597

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 116 Q. Okay. So you're calling her related to Jeffrey Epstein? A. Sure. Q. Okay. So you know that she plays some role in some aspect of Jeffrey Epstein's life, whatever that is? A. Right. Q. Okay. So when I'm asking these questions about these people, and I feel like I'm getting answers that I'm not really not sure that these people have any role in their life, that's not -- that's not completely accurate, right? MR. CRITTON: Form; argumentative. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I mean, you do know that these people are somehow involved with him, whether socially or business-wise or otherwise, and during the course of your years, you've made telephone calls on his behalf or to coordinate things with them right? A. Right. MR. CRITTON: Object to the form. You said 'these people.' BY MR. EDWARDS: O. I'm talking about . That's somebody you called before, right? A. Sure. 3527-003 Page 116 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009791 EFTA00159598

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 117 Q. What would be a reason you called MR. CRITTON: Object to form. Probably the same reasons he said two hours ago, for scheduling purposes. But you've covered that. Go ahead and answer it again. THE WITNESS: For scheduling purposes, would be my only reason to call her. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. That's funny that you used the exact same words that Mr. Critton wants you to use. MR. CRITTON: It's what he said two hours ago. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What would be the reason why you would call Ms. Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Same reason. Q. That's not somebody you call these days, though, right? A. I haven't seen her in some time. Q. What made you stop calling Ghislaine Maxwell where you thought at one point in time you thought she was a person to call related to your job? A. Just was no reason to. Q. Is that somebody who you think is still affiliated or associated with Jeffrey Epstein or his -- 3527-003 Page 117 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009792 EFTA00159599

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 118 whatever he does? A. I'd only can speculating. I don't know. Q. All right. Do you know the number MR. CRITTON: Could you say it slowly. III? MR. EDWARDS: . Thank you. And just in case you didn't get it, I'm going to mark these as an exhibit so that we can read them later. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you know that number? A. Yes. Q. What is that number? A. That's my cell phone. Q. Okay. Is that still your cell phone? A. Yes, sir. Q. All right. I'm going to show you two documents here or pieces of paper. We'll mark them as Exhibit 2 and Exhibit 3. The first one is dated March 5th, 2005. Do you remember making this telephone call? And just for the record, this looks like a message that's being taken relative to a phone call that you made. MR. REINHART: So the question is does he remember making the phone call? 3527-003 Page 118 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009793 EFTA00159600

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you remember making that phone call after reading the message? A. Let me look at the date here. Okay. March. MR. REINHART: The question is, do you remember making the call? THE WITNESS: Okay, let me. "Person for the car will be here in 15 minutes to drop off foam and papers." I don't know. MR. EDWARDS: BY 119 Q. That doesn't mean anything to you? A. That doesn't -- I mean, you're talking four years ago. I can't answer that accurately. I mean.. . MR. REINHART: So the answer is you don't recall? THE WITNESS: Yeah, I don't recall. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. If you don't remember, that's fine. (Plaintiff's Exhibit Nos. 2 AND 3 were marked for identification.) BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. So I'll show you Exhibit 3, the same type of document, and I can make the representation that this was message pads provided by the state attorney's office relative to the criminal investigation revolving around 3527-003 Page 119 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009794 EFTA00159601

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 120 Jeffrey Epstein. So that's how I have these documents. I'm not trying to pull out old documents. MR. CRITTON: What's the date? MR. EDWARDS: March 19th. MR. REINHART: The question is, do you remember the call? THE WITNESS: "Tom from Midnight Express is at" -- help me out -- "convention center with new boat. They are two points -- two parts of this." BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. "Show"? A. "Show up the water" MR. REINHART: "On the water." THE WITNESS: "On the water and at the center." BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you remember making that call? A. No. I mean, "Tom from Midnight Express is at convention center with new boat. They are two parts of" -- I mean Q. But as Jeffrey Epstein's pilot, why would you be leaving such a message about Tom from Midnight Express relative to boats and a boat show? A. I help out with boat purchases or, you know, anything to do with, you know, that moves. So I mean, 3527-003 Page 120 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009795 EFTA00159602

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 121 Q. Okay. When you say "you help out with boat purchases," what do you mean? A. Give my opinion, whether or not whether to buy a certain boat. It's just a hobby. I have knowledge on boats. Not only just airplanes but, you know. Q. You give your opinion to whom? A. To Jeffrey. Q. Okay. And Jeffrey Epstein obviously, at least in your mind, you believe he wants your opinion? A. Yes. Q. Okay. So boats is another thing that the two of you have discussed? A. Yes. Q. All right. And so this a conversation or at least some evidence that a conversation existed between yourself and Jeffrey Epstein relative to a boat or a boat show? A. Correct. Q. Do you remember having that conversation? A. We've had many conversations about boats and different boat shows. If you're referring to this one in '05, I don't recall this one. Q. Okay. So aside from being a pilot -- which throughout this entire deposition I believe your 3527-003 Page 121 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009796 EFTA00159603

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 122 testimony has been, you know, you're just the pilot for him -- it looks like there's some other role that you're playing here in his life. I'm not suggesting that you are or you are not. I'm just saying from the appearance of this, it looks that way. Is there anything else that you want to tell me or that you want to clarify in terms of the role that you play in Jeffrey Epstein's life outside of being just his pilot? MR. REINHART: Let me object to form. He also told you he installs the audio and video equipment before. MR. EDWARDS: Correct. THE WITNESS: I have an interest in boats. You know, with the island, I don't think I bought any boats, you know, for the company, but he appreciates my opinion on boat purchases. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. A. Having the knowledge of aviation and things that move quite fast. So I have consulted with him on boat items. Q. How many boat purchases are you aware of Jeffrey Epstein making in the time period that you've known him? A. Two or three. 3527-003 Page 122 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009797 EFTA00159604

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 123 Q. And has he consulted with you on each of those purchases? A. Not every one of them, no. Q. Does he own any boats now that you're aware of? A. I don't know if he owns them or not. Q. Okay. Do you know of any boats that he controls or maintains? A. Himself or? Q. How about this -- I'll ask you this way. I don't want to split hairs with you here: I know we've been talking about corporations and things like that. A. Yes he. Q. Do you know of any boats that he is the person with the most control over? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Where would those boats be located and what kind of boat are we talking about? A. St. Thomas is the location. It would be a 34-foot inflatable boat. I know that one specifically. Q. Okay. Do you know when he made that purchase? A. Eight years ago, seven years ago. It was a while ago. Q. Is that something you had had input in? A. Not on that one specifically, no. 3527-003 Page 123 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009798 EFTA00159605

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 124 Q. Is there any other boat that you know of Jeffrey Epstein being the primary user of or the primary controller of? A. I mean, there's boats in St. Thomas. I mean, it's not part of my job, you know, what goes on with the boats or who controlled them. It's more of an opinion of what horsepower should be on the back of the boat, hull designs. It's out of my area. Q. But your sole responsibility or your sole obligation that you have ever had with Jeffrey Epstein relative to boats is just giving some opinions about the boat? A. Mm-hmm. Q. Is that yes? A. Yes, yes. Q. Okay. All right. Has he ever given you his opinions about boats? A. Sure. We've discussed it back and forth. Q. Other than boat conversations, have you ever talked other conversations, such as A. Cars. Q. Okay. How about such as -- have you ever known Jeffrey Epstein to have a girlfriend, somebody you consider a girlfriend? A. No. 3527-003 Page 124 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009799 EFTA00159606

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. 125 In the 18 years and all the travels you had with him, do you know anything about Jeffrey Epstein's sex life? A. No. Q. Do you know who he has sex with? A. No. Q. Do you know if he has sex with anybody? A. I don't know. Q. Do you know if he's ever had sex on the airplane while you've been piloting it? A. I have no idea. Q. That's something that you just wouldn't know because you're up in the cockpit? A. That is correct. THE WITNESS: Could I take a two-minute bathroom break just to lose my coffee? MR. EDWARDS: Sure. (A break was had at 12:35 p.m.) BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. We're back on the record. Over the years you've indicated that the -- any gifts or other items or things given to you by Jeffrey Epstein exclusively are the pool heater, the 40-acres of land and the -- A. Use of a company -- 3527-003 Page 125 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009800 EFTA00159607

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 126 Q. -- and the use of a company car? A. Yes. Q. That's it? A. (Nodding.) Q. Okay. A. Yes, I'm sorry, yes. Q. And the flight to Miami that was recently taken, other than Jeffrey Epstein and was there anybody else on that flight? A. No. Q • How long -- did you also fly them back from Miami to Palm Beach? A. No. He drove back. Q. When you say 'he drove back,• who drove back? A. Well, I assume he drove back. I did not fly him back. Q. When's the next time you saw him again? A. I would only be guessing. A week later, I mean. Q. Okay. And was that in Palm Beach County when you saw him the next time? A. Yes, sir. Q. Do you know of him leaving Palm Beach County in the last two years on any other occasion? A. No. 3527-003 Page 126 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_0000980I EFTA00159608

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 127 Q. Did he ever fly anywhere else with you either by helicopter or airplane in the last two years? A. We flew one time to the Sikorsky plant. Q. What's the Sikorsky plant? A. That's where they build the Sikorsky helicopters. It's in Palm Beach County. Q. And when was that? A. Probably a month ago, I'm guessing. Q. For what purpose? A. They gave us a tour at a facility. Q. Who's they? A. Sikorsky. Q. And who requested the tour of the facility? A. They offered it to our flight department. Q. And who went? A. Jeffrey, myself, and Igor. Q. And if I wanted documentation of either of those trips, the trip to Miami or the trip to the Sikorsky plant, who would have that documentation? A. I would. Q. So I could request it from your attorney to get it from you? MR. REINHART: Let me just check. (Off the record discussion MR. REINHART: Okay. He has custody of it, 3527-003 Page 127 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009802 EFTA00159609

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 128 but they're corporate documents. So you'd have to request it from Mr. Critton, who I understand represents all the corporations. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What's the corporation that the document was prepared for? A. Meaning who -- what, like Air Ghislaine, the owner of the helicopter? Yes, Air Ghislaine. Q. Air Ghislaine? A. That's the helicopter. Q. And the name Ghislaine is obviously not that typical of a name. Is that reference or related to Ghislaine Maxwell? A. I would assume. I have no knowledge. Q. Nobody's ever told you that? A. Nobody's brought it up. Q. Okay. And how long were you at the Sikorsky facility? A. Three hours, four hours. Q. And what time of day was this? A. Nine in the morning. Nine, I think, and we returned at one, something like that. Q. And was the purpose to buy or purchase anything? 3527-003 Page 128 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009803 EFTA00159610

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 129 A. They have a new helicopter being developed there, so they're trying to look for investors in it. So they were just kind of pushing their product. Q. Do you know what Jeffrey Epstein does for a living for business today, these days? A. No. Q. Do you know or have you ever been to the Florida Science Foundation? A. Yes, sir. Q. And do you know what the Florida Science Foundation does? A. Not exactly. Q. Well, generally? A. No, I don't. I mean, really, I don't. Q. Okay. Is it your understanding that Jeffrey Epstein is somehow affiliated with the Florida Science Foundation? A. It's my understanding that, yes. Q. I mean, did you just by happenstance stumble into the Florida Science Foundation, or was it related to your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? A. I've heard that's where his office was. I mean, I have no other Q. Why did you go there? A. Talk about airplanes. 3527-003 Page 129 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009804 EFTA00159611

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 130 Q. Talk to who? A. Jeffrey. Q. Jeffrey just happened to be at the Florida Science Foundation? A. Yes. Q. How did you know that he was going to be at the Florida Science Foundation? A. He called me and told me. Q. And he said come to the Florida Science Foundation to talk to me about what? A. Maintenance on the airplanes, upcoming. It's an ongoing. Q. And did he have an office there? A. Yes. Q. So this is -- when you walked in, this is the place that's right next to Jack Goldberger's office? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And you walk in and there's a reception desk right there? A. Yes. Q. Is that where you talked or did you talk somewhere behind that reception desk? A. Behind the reception area. 3527-003 Page 130 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009805 EFTA00159612

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Back in his office? 131 A. Yes, sir. Q. What was that conversation? A. Give me a time frame. I mean, I've been there several times. Q. Okay. How many times do you think you've been to the Florida Science Foundation? A. Twenty, thirty. I mean.. . Q. Well, the Florida Science Foundation's only been around since late 2007; is that right? MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Something around that? A. I don't know exactly. O. All right. So in the last 20 years -- in the last couple of years you've been there 20 or 30 times, approximately? A. Yes, sir. Q. And during those times when you've been there, without having to go through each conversation, did you ever talk to him about the fact that he was on probation or that he was A. No. Q. -- any part of the criminal investigation? A. No, not at all. 3527-003 Page 131 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTASO009806 EFTA00159613

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 132 Q. What was the purpose of the conversation? A. We were sometimes talking about TVs, you know, the latest plasma that's out there, LCD, you know, setting up a stereo systems, you know, in the Palm Beach house. That's usually the main thrust of our conversations these days. Q. How would you know to go to the Florida Science Foundation on each of those occasions? Would he just call you? A. Yeah, he would call me and say come on by or I got a brochure on a new Samsung. Q. With each time you were at the Florida Science Foundation, how long would you stay typically? A. Ten, fifteen minutes. Not much more than chat. Q. You would go there for ten or fifteen minutes, have a conversation about a TV and leave? A. Yes, sir. Q. Why couldn't you have that conversation over the phone? What was it about? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: If it was pertaining to a TV and I'd have a brochure, a picture of the TV -- one particular TV we looked at it was the size of a like five foot diagonal, so I had a photo of myself 3527-003 Page 132 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTASO009807 EFTA00159614

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 133 standing next to it or the salesperson. So I mean, there's a reason to visually show him something reference to that. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did you ever communicate with Jeffrey Epstein -- you can send him an e-mail, right? You could have done that? A. Yes. Q. To send him the picture or something like that, that was an option? A. Right. Q. And what's Jeffrey Epstein's e-mail address that you use? A. I have to do it on my computer, you know, with -- I have to type in the prompts for it because it's a long e-mail address. Q. Okay. How long have you e-mail corresponded with Jeffrey Epstein? A. Probably two years. A year to two years. I mean, it's fairly -- something we just started doing. I mean, we'd never done that in the past. Q. Well, in the past he was in jail or have some restrictions? A. The restrictions, yes. Q. So you you'd see him on the airplane 3527-003 Page 133 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009808 EFTA00159615

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 134 frequently? A. Exactly. Q. So when you didn't see him on the airplane frequently, then some of your correspondence was by e-mail, other times by telephone? A. Mm-hmm. Q. And other times in person? A. Yes. Q. And what was your e-mail -- what was the substance of the e-mail correspondence that you would have with Jeffrey Epstein? A. It would have to be related. I mean, you have to give me a topic. I mean, whether it be a car -- Q. Never about the criminal investigation? A. Oh, no, no, never. Q. Do you know what his intention is or his plans are for when he is off probation? A. No idea. Q. Or off community control? A. I have no idea. Q. Has he ever indicated to you he wants you to fly him to some other location outside the United States to live permanently? A. Oh, no. Q. Have you ever flown to his place in Paris? 3527-003 Page 134 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009809 EFTA00159616

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 135 A. We've landed in Paris. Q. You're aware that he has some control over another piece of property over there? A. I know we've picked up luggage at a residence. I don't know to what extent his ownership is, if any. Q. All right. A. Right. Q. And are you aware that he has some employees that listen to what he says that work in that house? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: In Paris, yes, there is one person there. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What's his name? A. Voltzan. Because I always thought there was nobody there. up. Q• Vultzan Cauldron (phonetic)? A. I don't know exactly. I would have to look it Q. Have you talked to him before? A. No. Q. When you've been in Paris A. You're not going to ask why? Q. Well, I'm assuming he doesn't speak English. A. There you go, okay. 3527-003 Page 135 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009810 EFTA00159617

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 136 Q. So I thought there was no need for that? A. Okay. I just wanted to see. Q. Where do you stay when Jeffrey Epstein is in Paris? A. A hotel. Q. Okay. And in New Mexico, when you land there, you stay on the ranch somewhere, but at your place? A. I stay at my place. Q. And in New York, you have an apartment that he sets you up at, right, the 301? A. Yes, I have a place I could stay. Q. And in St. Thomas? A. Hotel. Q. And in Paris you stay at a home? A. (Nodding.) Q. Are there any other properties such as what we were talking about today -- I'm not saying Jeffrey Epstein is the sole owner or direct owner, but any other properties that you're familiar with that Jeffrey Epstein is -- has direct access to and at least it gives the appearance to you that he is the owner or controller of that property? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: Name the list that you've stated. 3527-003 Page 136 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009811 EFTA00159618

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 137 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. The Manhattan house. A. Yes. Q. Mansion or whatever we want to call it, the Zorro Ranch, the island of St. James, the Palm Beach house. A. Mm-hmm. Q. And the Paris place. A. That's all I'm aware of. Q. And have you ever at any of those five places hung around him and stayed around him for during the daytime for the course of an entire day? A. No. Q. All right. So do you know what he does during his days while he's there? A. No. Q. Are you aware of a list of underage girls that is kept to come over and service him each of those days? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: Absolutely not. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I'm the first person to ever even imply that to you, right? A. A list, yes, you are. Q. Okay. Have you ever been made aware that 3527-003 Page 137 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009812 EFTA00159619

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 138 keeps a list of underage girls to service Jeffrey Epstein for sexual purposes? A. I am not aware of them. MR. CRITTON: Form to the last question BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Have you ever been made aware that Ghislaine Maxwell keeps a list of girls in the nearby areas of each of -- at Jeffrey Epstein's residences to service him sexually? A. No. MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: O. Okay. Have you ever read some of the complaints that have been filed against him in the various courts, whether state court or federal court, against Jeffrey Epstein? A. No, I have not. Q. All right. So this Jane Doe 102 versus Jeffrey Epstein, you're not familiar with who that person is? A. No idea. Q. Okay. I'm going to mark Jane Doe, one of the 22, versus Epstein as Exhibit No. 4 to this deposition. (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 4 was marked for identification.) 3527-003 Page 138 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009813 EFTA00159620

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 139 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And ask you about some of the allegations in here and see if you know anything about them. It indicates he owns a flight of aircraft that includes a Gulfstream, a helicopter, and a Boeing 727. True? MR. CRITTON: What's the question? THE WITNESS: Please repeat. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Are you aware of him owning a Gulfstream IV aircraft, a helicopter and a Boeing 727? I think we talked about it, right? A. Right. Q. Okay. And it indicates a fleet of motor vehicles? MR. CRITTON: Wait a minute. He said right, is that we talked about it, as distinct from him knowing one way or another. THE WITNESS: What's the question? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you know that he owns those things? A. I do not know that he owns them. Q. Do you believe that he owns those things? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I would be guessing, so.. . 3527-003 Page 139 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009814 EFTA00159621

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What does the company NES, LLC, do to your knowledge? A. I have no idea. Q. know? 140 How does that company generate profit, if you A. I have no idea. Q. That's the company that pays your paycheck, but you have absolutely no clue what they do to generate money? A. No, sir. Q. If anything? A. Correct. Q. Have you ever heard that that company generates money through sex trafficking of young girls? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: Absolutely not. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Never, okay. Have you ever heard that Jeffrey Epstein has a sexual preference for underage girls? Other than what you've read in the newspaper, have you heard that from any other individuals before? A. No. Q. Ever heard that he has had sex or sexual relationships with many minor girls, some as young as 12 3527-003 Page 140 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009815 EFTA00159622

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 141 years old? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: O. Never? A. Never. Q. Have you ever seen any photographs in any of his homes depicting young-looking girls engaging in sex acts? A. No. Q. Or reading directly from the complaint, "engaged in lewd acts"? A. No, absolutely not. Q. Have you looked around the walls of his various homes when you're in there picking up luggage? A. I mean, not any more than I walked in here and not looking at the walls over there, I couldn't tell you what those are; so nothing specific. Q. Sometimes we're talking about a 50,000 square :Mot house? A. Exactly. Q. In Manhattan? A. It's pretty big. Q. Okay. Have you ever looked at any of his computers for any reason? 3527-003 Page 141 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009816 EFTA00159623

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. No. Q. I know that you helped set up some of the -- 142 A. Computers are not my expertise. Q. All right. Have you ever been told that Mr. Epstein committed sex acts against underage girls on a literal daily basis, that's what he does? A. I've never been told that. Q. Have you ever read the complaints against him that indicate that's what he does on a daily basis? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. So in your mind, you never believed that you were transporting around somebody whose sole goal in life is to get -- have sex with little girls? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I never believed that, no. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Have you ever been told that he conspired with others, including assistants and/or his drivers and/or pilots and his friend Ghislaine Maxwell, to further these sex acts and to avoid police detection? MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Have you ever -- anybody ever questioned you 3527-003 Page 142 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009817 EFTA00159624

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 143 about that? MR. REINHART: Hold on. The question is have you ever been told that fact that he just read to you? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Right. A. I have never been told that fact. Q. Has anybody ever questioned you about your possible involvement with helping to facilitate Mr. Epstein have sex with underage girls? A. No. Q. When you were questioned by either the police or the -- whoever the investigative resource that was being used at the time? A. Right. Q. Do you remember who that person was that was questioning you? A. No, I don't remember. Q. I know you don't know the location where it was, but do you remember who they were affiliated with? A. No. Q. Was it only one time? A. Yes. Q. Did you also have to testify before a grand jury proceeding? 3527-003 Page 143 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009818 EFTA00159625

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 144 A. No, I did not. Q. Have you ever known Mr. Epstein to get a massage while on an airplane? PHONE ATTORNEY: This is everybody in Boone, Charles and the witness is here and the court reporter and the videographer. MR. EDWARDS: Fantastic, but I think that you may have the wrong room. PHONE ATTORNEY: I was told to ask for 856. MR. EDWARDS: Let's go off the record. (Off the record discussion.) BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. In the complaint, I'm going to tell you what it alleges and I'm going to ask if this helps to refresh your recollection about any of Jeffrey Epstein's activities. The defendant, Jeffrey Epstein, transported the plaintiff to another state in order to engage in sex acts with her. And this occurred when she was merely 15 years old. Do you remember transporting somebody that looked like they were 15 years old on your airplane? A. No, sir. Q. You never remember taking a 15-year-old, or somebody that looks around that approximate age, on your airplane? 3527-003 Page 144 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009819 EFTA00159626

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 145 A. Can you be more specific? Q. Well, I know that you've indicated earlier in the deposition that you remember some girls under the age of 18 on the airplane. And so let me ask, before I get back into this, whether all those individuals you were talking about were accompanied by a parent or some of those people were on the airplane for some other purpose, modeling, or you don't know why they were there? I'm going to let you elaborate on who these people are that you believe may have been under the age of 18 and why you think they were on the airplane? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: We've had younger people on the airplane that have been, you know, with their family members, like you said. I don't remember transporting anybody that was of questionable age. I'm not -- I'd only be guessing at somebody's age if I didn't ID them at the foot of the airplane. So I can't guess to their age. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. 'Mr. Epstein used his private jet to transport the minor plaintiff to Manhattan where he provided her spending money and accommodations with him at his mansion." Do you have any idea who that might be 3527-003 Page 145 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009820 EFTA00159627

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 146 referring to? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No, sir. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And you don't remember being a pilot of an airplane where he was transporting a 15-year-old to Manhattan from Miami or Palm Beach? A. No. I'd be guessing at somebody's age and I can't guess. Q. "Defendant transported plaintiff in his private jet to locations that included Palm Beach, New York City, Santa Fe, Los Angeles, San Francisco, St. Louis." Do you remember ever piloting his airplane to those destinations that I just mentioned? MR. REINHART: Can we break them down? Objection; compound. MR. EDWARDS: Okay. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Have you ever flown his airplane to Palm Beach? A. Yes, sir. Q. Okay. Have you ever flown it to New York City? A. Yes. 3527-003 Page 146 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_0000982I EFTA00159628

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 147 Q. To Santa Fe? A. Yes. Q. To Los Angeles? A. Yes. Q. To San Francisco? A. Yes. Q. To St. Louis? A. Yes. Q. All right. Continuing to international destinations, including Europe, have you ever flown it to Europe? A. Yes. Q. The Caribbean? A. Yes. Q. And Africa? A. Yes. Q. On those flights to those various places, is it your -- to the best of your knowledge, you were unaware of Jeffrey Epstein engaging in sex with underage girls on his airplane? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I have no knowledge of any of that. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. "He provided accommodations with him in order 3527-003 Page 147 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTASO009822 EFTA00159629

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 148 to have her available to him at all times whenever he wanted, including while transporting the minor plaintiff on his private jet.• That's something that you had no knowledge of? A. (Witness shakes head.) Q. You have to a yes or no. A. I'm sorry, no. Q. "Each time they would travel to one of these destinations, the same pattern of sexual abuse would occur, often with a vast array of aspiring models, actresses, celebrities, and/or other females, including minors from all over the world." Again, that's something you have no personal knowledge of? A. No. Q. Has anybody ever indicated that if you did have personal knowledge of some of these things, then you could also have been implicated in some form of a crime? Has any law enforcement or anybody ever indicated that to you? A. No. Q. Okay. Is that something you've ever worried about? A. No. Q. All right. "Upon information and belief, 3527-003 Page 148 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009823 EFTA00159630

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 149 defendant transported minor girls from Turkey." Did you ever leave in one of his airplanes out of Turkey? A. I'd have to look at the records. I don't recall Turkey. O. Do you ever remember taking any minor girls out of Turkey? A. No, I don't remember. Q. What records would you have to look at to see if you took people out or left out of Turkey? A. I'd have to look at the flight logs, but I personally don't remember flying into Turkey. Q. And would the flight logs coming into the United States from Turkey indicate the names of the people on the plane? A. They might. Q. Okay. Where would I get those particular flight logs that would have that information? A. Depended upon what year you're talking. Q. We're talking in this particular complaint between 1998 and 2002. A. I'm not -- I don't possess those passenger manifests. Q. Do you know who would possess those? A. That would be I guess -- MR. REINHART: Do you know who has them today? 3527-003 Page 149 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009824 EFTA00159631

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 150 THE WITNESS: I do not know who has them today. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Who did you give them to? A. Actually, I didn't give them to anybody. Dave Rogers was in possession of those logs. So I don't know where they are right now. Q. You're still thinking that the best evidence of that, any flight that may have left out of Turkey, would be in the flight logs that's marked as Composite Exhibit 1, or are we talking about the manifests that we've been referring to? A. I don't know how accurate that log book is or even how accurate the passenger manifest is. Q. Okay. So there may be no actual documentation indicating a flight leaving out of Turkey when, in fact, a flight may have left out of Turkey? A. Correct. Q. Okay. The Czech Republic is the next place listed. Is that a place you've flown to or from in a Jeffrey Epstein airplane? A. More specific, could you name the city? Q. I can't name the city, at least the complaint doesn't name the city. But I've been to the Czech Republic before. Anywhere within that country, have you 3527-003 Page 150 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009825 EFTA00159632

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 151 ever flown to or from in a Jeffrey Epstein airplane? A. We have flown to Prague. Q. Okay. Have you picked people up in Prague and flown out of Prague? A. I don't remember. Q. I'm not saying no, you didn't, but -- A. Best of my knowledge. Q. -- you don't remember? A. Exactly. Best of my knowledge, I don't remember. Q. Do you remember the reason for going to Turkey or to Prague? A. No. Q. This also says Asia. Have you ever flown to or from Asia with Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. Q. Or on a Jeffrey Epstein airplane? A. Yes. Q. Do you know the purpose of those flights to and from Asia? A. No. Q. Did it ever occur to you that maybe it was to pick up minor girls for him to have sex with on the back of the airplane? MR. CRITTON: Form. 3527-003 Page 151 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009826 EFTA00159633

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 152 THE WITNESS: Never occurred to me. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did you ever hear that he maintained some of these underage girls as sex slaves -- A. Never heard of such a thing. Q. -- from the age of 12 through the age of 16? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No knowledge of that. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Ever picked up girls that looked young, many of whom who spoke no English? Do you ever remember that? A. Zero, do not. Q. All right. The complaint goes on to say, "Plaintiff was required to be sexually exploited by defendant's adult male peers, including royalty." So I'm going to talk, do you have any familiarity with Prince Andrew? A. I know who he is. Q. Was he ever on the airplane? A. He may have been on the airplane. Q. Do you remember him on the airplane with young girls? A. No, I do not. Q. Do you remember Jeffrey Epstein flying in to 3527-003 Page 152 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009827 EFTA00159634

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 153 meet with Prince Andrew? A. I don't remember. I know that happened, but I couldn't be accurate. Q. Has Prince Andrew ever been on the airplane at the same time as a young girl, to the best of your memory and knowledge? A. To the best of my knowledge, no. Q. This also says politicians, talking about local or U.S. politicians. Do you remember certain politicians being on the airplane? A. No -- I mean yes, I do. Q. What politicians would that be? A. President Clinton. Q. Okay. Who else? A. Former president of Israel -- help me out with the name, Barak? Q. Ehud Barak? A. Yes, those are the two that I remember. Q. How many times was Ehud Barak on the airplane that you piloted for Mr. Epstein? A. Maybe once. Q. And where did that flight pick up and where did it go to, to the best of your memory? A. Best of my memory, it was Palm Beach to Teterboro. 3527-003 Page 153 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009828 EFTA00159635

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 154 Q. Where is Teterboro? A. In New Jersey. Q. And what was the purpose of that flight, do you know? A. I don't know. Q. Was Jeffrey Epstein on the flight? A. I'd have to look at the flight logs to guarantee. Q. Anything about that flight stick out in your mind? A. None. Q • Such as a fine needing to be paid because it left after 10:00 p.m.? A. For that was the flight, yes. Q. You remember that? A. It's coming back to me. Q. And do you remember young girls being on that flight? A. No. Q. All right. A. I remember the fine. Q. Do you remember who paid the fine? MR. CRITTON: Hold on. Let me object to form of the question. 'Do you remember' it suggests that there were. So form, predicate. 3527-003 Page 154 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009829 EFTA00159636

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 155 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Do you remember who else was on that flight that left after 10 p.m.? A. No, I do not. 0. Do you remember why it left after 10 p.m.? A. No, I do not. Q. Do you remember Jeffrey Epstein instructing you to wait until after 10 p.m. to leave? A. No. Q. Would you have listened to him if he had told you -- if he had instructed you to do that? A. I don't understand the question. Q. Well, if he told you wait until after 10 p.m., I realize there's going to be a fine, but wait until after 10 p.m. to leave, intentionally leaving after 10 p.m., do you remember that instruction ever -- A. No, I don't remember that instruction. Q. Okay. A. I mean, it just happened to be departing after 10 and there is a penalty for leaving after 10 for noise. So there was no intention to.. . Q. All right. This also talks about this particular person 15 years old being sexually exploited by businessmen and/or other professional or personal acquaintances. Are you aware of other personal or 3527-003 Page 155 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009830 EFTA00159637

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 156 professional acquaintances of Jeffrey Epstein also sexually abusing or exploiting little kids or underage girls on your airplane? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. If you had been aware that Mr. Epstein was -- and by this -- this is more in the form of a hypothetical, and that I'm not going to suggest to you it's a fact that he was. But if you had been aware that every single day Jeffrey Epstein's goal was to locate underage girls for the purposes of sex, and either have sex with them on the airplane or at some other designation that you were destination that you were traveling him to, would you have continued to pilot those planes? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: You said it was hypothetical? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Right, it is a hypothetical. A. Why would I want to answer that? Because you're being hypothetical. I mean, it would obviously be wrong. Q. Sure. Well, a hypothetical question is a legal question that I'm allowed to ask. 3527-003 Page 156 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_UHK0831 EFTA00159638

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 157 A. Okay. Q. And I'm just asking you if you did have knowledge that Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with little girls either on the plane or at a place that you were taking him to or from on a daily basis, that's what he did, would you have continued to be his pilot? MR. CRITTON: Let me object. Object to the form. It's argumentative. It has no more value than assuming he was chopping up bodies or anybody was chopping up bodies in the plane you're flying. What difference does it make? Form. MR. EDWARDS: What difference does it make in a case about him having sex with little girls? I'm not going to argue with you about it. You've stated your objection. MR. CRITTON: Exactly. It's an argumentative question. MR. EDWARDS: I'm not going to argue with you about it. MR. CRITTON: You're arguing with him about now. MR. EDWARDS: No, I'm asking him the hypothetical. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Can you answer that? Would you have continued 3527-003 Page 157 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009832 EFTA00159639

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 158 to be a pilot for somebody who's traveling to and from destinations with the goal of having sex with underage girls? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: It could be any person. It doesn't have to be Jeffrey Epstein, then, right? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q • True. A. No, I wouldn't pilot an airplane if there was wrongdoing going on. Q. That you knew about? A. That I knew you about, sure. Q. Me reading this complaint to you, is this the first time you've heard these allegations -- A. Yes. Q. -- against Mr. Epstein? A. Yes. Q. It goes on to say, "On one of Epstein's birthdays, a friend of Epstein sent him three 12-year-old girls from France who spoke no English for the purpose of -- for defendant to sexually exploit and abuse. After doing so, they were sent back to France the next day." Are you familiar with that occasion? MR. CRITTON: Form. 3527-003 Page 158 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009833 EFTA00159640

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE WITNESS: Never heard of such a thing. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you know of any friends that he has in France that would send him birthday -- a birthday present? A. No. Q. Do you know of him receiving any birthday 159 gifts or birthday people from anyone? A. Never. Q. This particular person that filed this complaint, Jane Doe 102, indicates "Defendant and Ghislaine Maxwell acknowledged and celebrated plaintiff's 16th birthday." Do you remember them celebrating somebody who you flew on the airplane's 16th birthday? A. I don't recall. Q. Any of this jog your memory as to who is? A. No. Q. "From the age of 15, plaintiff" -- this Jane Doe 102 -- "was sexually exploited and abused by defendant on a daily basis and often multiple times each day." So going back, was there ever a day where you were with Jeffrey Epstein where you could observe him 3527-003 Page 159 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009834 EFTA00159641

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 160 and during an entire day? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't remember , so I couldn't answer the question. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. "In September 2002, Defendant Epstein purchased a commercial round-trip airline ticket and provided a passport, U.S. currency and accommodations for plaintiff to fly to Thailand." Do you remember him doing that for anybody around that time period? A. No, sir. MR. CRITTON: What was the date? MR. EDWARDS: September 2002. MR. CRITTON: Okay, thanks. MR. EDWARDS: I have here -- and this is actually my only copy, so I don't mind marking it as a composite exhibit, but we'll either have to copy this while thing or we'll have an agreement of counsel. It's the visitor inmate log from when Mr. Epstein was in jail in Palm Beach. MR. CRITTON: Well, before we get started, it is now 1:15. We started at 10:00. MR. EDWARDS: We didn't really start at 10:00. MR. CRITTON: Shortly thereafter. I was here 3527-003 Page 160 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009835 EFTA00159642

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 161 pretty much after 10. But we've been here since 10:00. I want to take a lunch break. MR. EDWARDS: Let's do it. MR. CRITTON: For an hour? MR. EDWARDS: Sure. (A break was had at 1:15 p.m.) BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. I looked through the inmate log of the visitors who visited Jeffrey Epstein and your name appears one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight times. A. Okay. Q. Seem to be accurate in terms of how many times you went to visit him? A. I thought six, but yes, that's.. . Q. I'll let you review the records and tell me if you dispute any of that record. And I'll go ahead and mark that as Composite Exhibit 5. (Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 5 was marked for identification.) MR. REINHART: It's two pages. MR. EDWARDS: Two pages. MR. REINHART: Okay. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Seem accurate? 3527-003 Page 161 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009836 EFTA00159643

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. 162 Okay. Jeffrey Epstein's plea, I believe, was June 30th, 2008. I think that's when he was taken in custody from there. Your first visit is July 3rd, 2008. And the other name on that visit is Igor 2inoviev. Did you go with Igor to visit Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. Q. Why did you go with Igor? A. It just happened he wanted to see us both at the same time. There was no apparent reason. Q. you? How did you know that Jeffrey wanted to see A. I don't recall who called and told me that he wanted to see me. I couldn't give you an accurate name, whether it was, you know, his attorney, Darren. And actually, I would put a lot weight to I think it was Darren, his attorney said Q. That would have made a phone call to you that A. Yeah, to Q. go. And what did you talk about with Jeffrey Epstein four days after he pled guilty to offenses that landed him in jail? A. I think the first visit was how disappointed or how scared he was, you know, being inside there. We 3527-003 Page 162 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009837 EFTA00159644

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 163 just talked about general happenings that go on in there. Q. What did he say? A. It's terrible; it's cold; he can't sleep. They wake him up every two hours. You know, just items like that, uncomfortable things. We talked about the airplanes a great deal. You know, we got major maintenance on the big airplane, so we discussed that a little bit. And then it was really just how uncomfortable he was there. Q. How long did you visit with him on that first visit, July 3rd? A. I think we stayed the full hour. was? Q. All right. Is that what the time allotment A. I believe it is, yeah. I don't think you could leave early, or I'm not aware that you could leave early, until later on we found out you could stay for five minutes or longer. But I don't think any of us knew that was -- once you got in there, you stayed there for the hour. Q. Okay. So you talked to him for an hour and for the most part it was just about the conditions and his disappointment with the conditions? A. Sure, yeah, absolutely. 3527-003 Page 163 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009838 EFTA00159645

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 164 Q. And did Igor talk to him as well? A. Briefly. I mean, not that much. You're going back a little ways again to remember exactly what was discussed. You know, he asked how his family was doing. I guess Igor's got a son, I think he asked how his son was doing. You know, just general questions like that. Q. Did you ride to the jail that day with Igor? A. I believe we did. I believe I met Igor probably at Jeffrey's house and picked him up, or if not, we may have met at the airport and drove together. But we did drive together on that occasion. Q. In what vehicle did you drive? A. The Hummer. Q. That's the vehicle you described earlier as the company vehicle? A. Yes, sir. Q. Is that a vehicle paid for by Jeffrey Epstein? A. Meaning? Q. Well, is that a vehicle paid for by you? A. What do you mean "paid for"? Q. Did you purchase the vehicle with your money? A. I didn't purchase that one, no. Q. Do you know if it was purchased by Jeffrey Epstein or a corporation of Jeffrey Epstein's? A. Probably a corporation. 3527-003 Page 164 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009839 EFTA00159646

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 165 MR. CRITTON: Form; move to strike. Sounds like a guess. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. To the best of your knowledge, that's how most of the items that you've discussed -- that being the Boeing and the Gulfstream -- they were usually held in corporate names, to your knowledge? A. To my knowledge, exactly, yes. Q. And so when you're saying the -- when you're calking about the Hummer vehicle and you're stating that it's likely a corporate entity, is that just something that you're guessing about, or do you have knowledge? A. No, I'm just guessing. Q. Okay. A. I have no proof -- Q. -- of ownership of who it's registered to or anything like that? A. Exactly. Q. Is it registered to you? A. No, no. Q. So it's registered to somebody other than you? A. Exactly. Q. Okay. A. I just drive it, I guess. Q. Okay. So on July 5th, 2008, you go back to 3527-003 Page 165 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009840 EFTA00159647

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 166 see him in jail again, and again, Igor Zinoviev is listed as a visitor. Did you go with him together on that occasion? A. I didn't even realize it was two days after the first visit. Q. Well, I mean, you see where this is going? A. Yeah, I do. It gets further apart, yeah. Q. Do you remember what the discussion was on 7/5/DS? A. No, because it's probably similar to the first one. I mean, we talked -- actually, one of the visits we talked about fishing and just trying to -- you know, we were talking about things that would just occupy his mind with intelligent conversation that he probably wasn't getting there. So for that hour of the day, I tried to give my best of intelligent conversation to him. Q. Okay. On his visitor log you were the first one to go visit him. Did you know that? A. I did not know that. I wasn't aware of that. MR. CRITTON: Let me just object to form to the last question. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Well, at least if these records are accurate, which are the records that were provided to us by the 3527-003 Page 166 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009841 EFTA00159648

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 .7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 167 facility that was holding Jeffrey Epstein, they're accurate, your name is the first one listed on the top of the sheet? A. Right. There may have been earlier dates. I have no idea. Q. Well, you know, the first date that he could have been in there it looks like was 7/1/08 and then, you know, so I guess somebody could have seen him 7/1 or 1/2, but those records were never provided to us. You see we were provided a whole big stack. A. I understand. Q. The next date I'm going to talk to you about is 7/12/08. A. Uh-huh. O. It looks, again, like it's yourself and Igor Zinoviev? A. Mm-hmm. Q. And that's something we talked about in this deposition. I'm going to ask you again, I don't know that you elaborated last time, what is your understanding of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? Is that a friend of his? A. I don't know his job description. I mean, he's somebody that's around a lot, but I don't know his exact job description. His English is, to say, not 3527-003 Page 167 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009842 EFTA00159649

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 168 100 percent, so conversation with somebody that doesn't fully understand you, you know, you get lost in translation a little bit. So I don't Q. So on these three visits to the jail, the first three that we're talking about that we've talked about so far, each of those times you traveled to and from the jail with Igor? A. Mm-hmm. Q. Yes? A. Yes, yes. Q. And each of those time, is it fair to say you had some form of communication either on the way to the jail or A. Sure. Q. -- to the jail? A. Yeah. Q. Since you're going to see an inmate in the jail, is it a safe assumption a portion of that conversation was about the person that you're going to see and possibly the crime that was committed? A. Yes, that would be a good assumption. Q. Okay. And what was the form -- what was the substance of that conversation that you can remember related to Jeffrey Epstein and the location you were going to visit him? 3527-003 Page 168 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTAJW0009843 EFTA00159650

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 169 A. I think Igor and I discussed on trying to be upbeat and not look at the position that he's in sitting across the table from us, to be upbeat and uplift his spirits. Q. Did you and Igor discuss whether or not you were going to talk to him about his plea of guilty or the fact that he's not registered as a sex offender? A. No. Q. Or whether you were going to stay away from those topics? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: We never -- we don't discuss that amongst ourselves and/or with Jeffrey in any way, form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. But that's not -- I realize you didn't discuss that. You've told me that. A. Right, but we didn't discuss that even prior to going in, as you asked. Q. Okay. So your discussion was mainly hey, let's be upbeat? A. Yes. Q. And that was to, in essence, maintain his spirits or raise his spirits? A. Exactly. 3527-003 Page 169 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009844 EFTA00159651

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 170 Q. Okay. And you were doing that as a friend of his, not just his pilot, right? A. I felt honored that he asked me to come and give support like that, because prior to him going away, it was known to us that there was going to be no visitors, because I had offered to him that I would be happy to come and visit him if he deemed it necessary, and he says no, I'm not going to have anybody. Q. So -- A. I guess it was so bad there, that he may have changed his mind and wanted to have some visitors. Q. When did you have this conversation with him where he indicated he was not going to have visitors while he was in jail? A. I don't exactly remember. It may have been on the trip heading to Palm Beach, the last flight. Q. From his island, from St. Thomas I guess it would be from? A. I forgot where it started from. It might have been New York or the island, one of the two. I don't remember the last flight. Q. And I mean, did at least the fact come up that hey, this a person who you're is going to be in jail for some time? A. Mm-hmm, yes. 3527-003 Page 170 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009845 EFTA00159652

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 171 Q. And in the course of that conversation, again, the allegations and the unusual I'll call it case against him, that didn't come up between you and Mr. Epstein? A. I never talked about it with him. Q. And at that point in time, what were you aware of in terms of the number of girls that he was alleged to have had sexual some sort of sexual relationship with him at his Palm Beach house? A. What was the question? How many girls? Q. Yeah, how many girls were you -- A. Aware of? Q. -- aware of? A. None. I wasn't aware of any, to be honest. O. The next visit is on 7/17/08 and it's Igor Zinoviev and somebody named Jean Rene and then yourself. Do you know who Jean Rene is? A. No. Q. Do you think that that visit, that you visited him at the same time that Jean Rene visited? MR. CRITTON: What's the date? MR. EDWARDS: It's 7/17/08. THE WITNESS: No, I don't know a Jean Rene, unless somebody came after. I mean, I don't -- I don't know a Jean Rene. 3527-003 Page 171 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009846 EFTA00159653

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 172 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. And then before you visited him again, the visitors are listed as or A. Mm-hmm. Q. Mainly those two individuals. And they list as addresses, A. Uh-huh. as their residence? Q. Given your previous testimony, does that surprise you that they list those that address as their residence? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I've seen them there, so I mean, I'm not surprised. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Did you know that they were visiting him in jail? A. No, I didn't know who was scheduled to see him or whatever. Q. Did Jeffrey talk to you at any point in time about or A. No, not at all. MR. REINHART: Can we get a time frame for that? Ever? MR. EDWARDS: Oh, no, well, I was talking -- 3527-003 Page 172 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009847 EFTA00159654

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 173 I'm sorry. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I was talking right now about in the conversations that you had with him that we've discussed with you and him in the jail facility. Did he discuss with you A. No, no. Q• or Did he talk to you about whether or not you should talk to anybody about his criminal investigation or possible litigation? A. No, not at all. Q. The next time you see him is on August 9th, 2008, at the jail. In that occasion it mentions as his visitors that day and Larry Visolli. Did you go to the jail with and that time? A. No. Who was on there? Which one are you referring to? Q. The next one, I tried to highlight them just that A. Right, that one. MR. REINHART: 8/9. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. 8/9/08? A. One of those two we all drove together. I 3527-003 Page 173 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009848 EFTA00159655

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 174 don't remember which one it was. It was either the 9 or the 16, and then the other one I met everybody there. So I can't be accurate on which time we all drove together. Q. How did you coordinate driving together? A. I don't exactly remember now. I mean, I think and I may have conversed on the phone and said do you want to meet at Jeffrey's house and we all drive together? Does it make sense to get together and drive one car. Q. Is that jail visit the result of Jeffrey Epstein requesting your presence there, or is that the result of you wanting to go see him as a friend in jail? A. A combination of both. I'm sure if I said, Hey, I'd like to come to jail and visit you, that he would either say yea or nay. Q. Okay. And you said at least on one of those occasions you rode to and from the jail with and A. Yes. Q. And during any of obviously, when you're in the car together -- well, who's driving the car? A. I was driving, I believe. Q • And that's the Hummer again? A. Actually, I think we take one of the suburbans 3527-003 Page 174 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009849 EFTA00159656

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 at the house. Q. Those are cars that Jeffrey Epstein owns, to your knowledge? A. I don't know who owns them. Q. What cars are there that -- I know with this 175 case we're dealing with a lot of corporations and it's not like asking me, Hey, what car do you own? But what cars are you aware that are -- that you believe are used primarily by Jeffrey Epstein? A. Used primarily by Jeffrey Epstein, a Mercedes S500 sedan. I don't remember the year on that one. Q. Okay. A. There's a Cadillac Escalade. Q. Okay. A. Those are his two main cars that he would be driven in Q. What are the other cars that you regularly see parked at his Palm Beach mansion, if there are any? A. It would be a whole array. Half the time the parking lot is full because of construction workers, yards keepers. Q. Okay. Fair enough. What vehicle does drive or drive when they're down here, if you know? A. I mean, anybody has a choice to pick out a car 3527-003 Page 175 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009850 EFTA00159657

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 176 or whatever there. I've seen driving a Mercedes convertible. Q. Is that different than the Mercedes S500 sedan? A. Yes, I think it's different. Q. When you say they have basically a choice of cars to drive -- A. Well, there's cars in the lot there. Q. Obviously, they can't get in one of the construction workers' cars? A. No. MR. REINHART: Let him finish his question. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. So that's kind of what I'm getting at. What other cars do you think that Jeffrey Epstein has -- whether it's titled, I don't know -- A. Right. Q. but he is the person in control of that vehicle? A. Right. Q. What other vehicles do you think he's controlling in Palm Beach? A. In Palm Beach? Q. We've named the Mercedes S500 sedan, Cadillac Escalade? 3527-003 Page 176 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_UXX0851 EFTA00159658

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 177 A. Right. Q. And I've identified a Mercedes convertible? A. Right. Q. In addition to that, are there any others that you're aware of? A. That he's in control of? Q. Yes. A. No. Q. And does the conversation come up between and and yourself about the reason why Jeffrey Epstein is in jail? MR. REINHART: Can we get a time frame? MR. EDWARDS: At any time. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. At any time have you ever had that exact conversation ever come up? A. No, we didn't talk about that among ourselves really. Q. And have you ever been told that provides the role of a sex slave to Jeffrey Epstein? That's just her role in life? MR. CRITTON: Form. MR. REINHART: That's just have you been told that. THE WITNESS: No. 3527-003 Page 177 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009852 EFTA00159659

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 178 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Have you been led to believe that by anybody? A. No. MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you have any -- based on your observations, do you have any other opinion as to what role she plays in Jeffrey Epstein's life, if any? A. I don't have an opinion on what the role is. Q. Do you agree with the criminal statutes that are in place to protect young children from sexual predators? Do you agree with those statutes? MR. CRITTON: Form. MR. REINHART: I'm going to direct him not to answer the question. It's irrelevant and it's not likely to lead to discoverable evidence what his opinion is on a law that's been passed by the legislature of Florida. MR. EDWARDS: Just so the record is clear, I don't know that we did this last time, but it's been alleged in the complaint it has been alleged in several complaints that Jeffrey Epstein particularly prays on vulnerable disadvantaged females, underage females, and that in order to gain access to the multitude of underage females, 3527-003 Page 178 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_UHK0853 EFTA00159660

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 179 he utilizes various people, schedulers, pilots, handlers and other associates and co-conspirators that have a similar mentality; that is, people that do not agree with laws related to sex abuse and abuse of children. And that's why this line of questioning regarding whether or not this witness has a motive or a bias or was involved in conversations related to his motive or bias, to continue to work for Jeffrey Epstein or believed the same beliefs of Jeffrey Epstein, is at least reasonably calculated to the lead the discovery of admissible evidence, and that is the argument at least along those lines being made to the judge regarding these questions. MR. CRITTON: Can we talk for just one minute? Because maybe -- can I talk with -- well, I know I can talk with Bruce. Let's just take a break. (A break was had at 2:45 p.m.) MR. EDWARDS: We're back on the record. Do you have the same position? MR. REINHART: Let me say this: He previously said he would have never allowed anything on the plane to be done illegally. If you want to ask if he agrees with the law applied by the legislature -- do you agree the law passed by the 3527-003 Page 179 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009854 EFTA00159661

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 180 state of Florida should be complied with? THE WITNESS: I don't know what the law is. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. The laws in place to protect children under the age of 18 from being sexually touched, fondled, molested by people over the age of 24, do you agree with those laws? A. Yes. Q. And you agree that persons who commit a violation of those laws should be prosecuted? A. Persons that do that. MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Yes, persons that do that. A. Persons that do that, absolutely. Q. And if you were to receive confirmed -- what you would perceive as confirmed information that Jeffrey Epstein was one of those persons, would you continue to be employed by or alongside of Jeffrey Epstein? MR. CRITTON: Form; speculation. THE WITNESS: You're assuming that there's quilt. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. No. I'm saying, hypothetically, if you were convinced that Jeffrey Epstein was guilty of those acts 3527-003 Page 180 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009855 EFTA00159662

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 181 which he pled guilty to MR. CRITTON: Form. MR. REINHART: Can we -- for purposes of your hypothetical, what facts do you want him to assume are true? You said the facts to which he pled guilty, but the witness already said he doesn't know what he pled guilty to. He knows the charge he doesn't know the facts. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Solicitation of prostitution of a minor, somebody under the age of 18. MR. EDWARDS: That's the charge, right, solicitation of prostitution of a minor? MR. CRITTON: No. I think you've got it wrong. I'll object to the form. MR. EDWARDS: Okay. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Then we'll handle the question this way: If you were to believe based on information and evidence that Mr. Epstein engaged in sex or some form of sex acts with people of the age range of 12, 13, 14, 15 years old, would you continue your employment with Mr. Epstein? MR. CRITTON: Form; speculation. THE WITNESS: I would certainly be speculating 3527-003 Page 181 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009856 EFTA00159663

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 182 and I have to discuss it with my wife long and hard. I don't think I could give you a correct and honest answer at this time. BY MR. EDWARDS: O. Okay. Given the allegations that have been made in this case, is this something that you have discussed with anyone other than your attorney? A. No, not really. Only from the fact that they're allegations and there's still a lot more work, I 'm sure, to be discovered. MR. CRITTON: Let me put on there, for the -- if this deposition is not typed -- and we request it -- I'd like at least this portion where Mr. Edwards' last question back about five pages worth, so just if you could mark it from this page back about five pages. If nobody requests the deposition, I'd just like those five pages. MR. EDWARDS: I'm going to request the deposition, so.. . MR. CRITTON: Okay. We'll mark this then, so you could tell me where it is, approximately. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Is there a reason why you have not discussed with Jeffrey Epstein the allegations that have been made 3527-003 Page 182 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009857 EFTA00159664

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 183 against him and the allegations contained within many of these civil complaints on behalf of girls who were under the age of 18? Is there any reason why you haven't discussed that? MR. REINHART: If that's based on conversations you had with your lawyer, then don't disclose what you and your lawyer talked about. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Correct. A. I have not spoken to Jeffrey about any of this, and it was my understanding that is illegal to have conversation about this. So I've never presented any questions to him reference this case or any others. Q. It was your understanding that it was illegal to talk to Jeffrey Epstein about the allegations made against Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes, or anything to do with the case. That's why we never discussed any portions of it. Q. Okay. So -- A. I may be wrong in that assumption, but I don't -- Q. So the reason why you haven't discussed this with Jeffrey Epstein is you believed it was illegal? A. Correct, yes. Q. Who led you to believe that it was illegal? 3527-003 Page 183 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFFA_00009858 EFTA00159665

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 184 MR. REINHART: Again, if it was a discussion you had with any lawyer, then you can just give a name, don't give a discussion of the conversation you had. THE WITNESS: It was my own assumption. mean, just basic criminal knowledge of knowing you're not supposed to -- you know, if somebody's in trial or in a deposition or whatever, I don't -- I didn't think it was appropriate to discuss the matter with them. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. So the next two visits and I think the last two visits we'll talk about are on 9/6/2008. Actually, it looks like you visited him twice in one day; is that right? A. I don't think that's possible. I mean, that will show how accurate the court record is. There's no way. Q. You wouldn't have visited him twice in one day? A. No. I think there's only one visitation per day. Q. Okay. And it looks like the same visitors each time, except that it says for period three and then the next one's for period four. So there are two 3527-003 Page 184 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009859 EFTA00159666

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 different periods. Was there ever a time when they 185 allowed you to stay for more than an hour? A. No, not to my knowledge. Q. Okay. So again, it's and , same questions: Did you ever ask them their involvement with Jeffrey Epstein? A. Absolutely not. Q. And again, what was the discussion with Jeffrey Epstein along with and A. On the last visits, it was mainly airplane stuff and later on in the visitations, we were advised that you could leave early, so I would only stay for maybe 30 minutes and then, you know, Jeffrey would continue his conversations with them and then I would just wait outside. Q. Okay. A. So I would do my business with him talking about airplanes or whatever I had coming up and then exit. Q. And then why did you stop visiting him in jail after that September 6th, 2008, visit? A. I was never called back to visit. Q. Okay. Well, shortly after that then he was on work release? 3527-003 Page 185 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009860 EFTA00159667

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 $ 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 186 A. Well, that's true. Q. Right? A. Yeah. Q. So the next times you would have gone to see him would have been at the Florida Science Foundation, where we talked about earlier? A. I've seen him there, yes. Q. Okay. And in fact, I think you said you saw him 20 or 30 times -- A. Sure. Q. -- over the last two years, last year and a half or so? A. Yes. Q. And how long would you stay each time at the Florida Science Foundation and talk to him? A. Like my original answer, ten, fifteen minutes. Q. Okay. And how frequently would you talk to Jeffrey Epstein while he was at the Florida Science Foundation? MR. REINHART: I'm sorry, you're talking in person or all conversations? Because he testified he had phone conversations and personal visits. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I was actually talking about phone conversations. So when you would call him on the 3527-003 Page 186 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009861 EFTA00159668

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 187 telephone, how frequently would you talk to him? A. How frequently during a given week? O. Yeah. A. More specific? D. Sure. A. Depends upon what's going on that week. O. I mean, is it somebody you would talk to him every day? A. No. O. All right. Well, at that point in time, he's going from the jail to the Florida Science Foundation and back, and if you're not going to see him in person, and you're not corresponding by e-mail, then would you correspond by telephone, that either being you call him or he called you? A. Yes. O. And, you know, in any given week, what was the typical week like? I mean -- A. How many times? O. Yes. A. Maybe once in a week, sometimes twice in a day. I mean, it would vary. There was no routine. O. And what would the conversation be? A. Mostly we discussed audio and video, TVs, home theaters. It's a niche of his and we're constantly 3527-003 Page 187 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009862 EFTA00159669

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 188 looking at new items that are out there, you know, what's the biggest LCD flat screen out there. Q. Okay. And since he's been out of jail and on community control or house arrest or whatever it is, where he's located at his home now, have you visited him at his home? A. I have been to the home. I haven't visited, but I have had work to do there. Q. And have you called him on the telephone there? A. Once I think I've called the house. Normally he calls me because it's usually he needs me to do something. Q. And what have those conversations been about since he's been out of jail? A. Let's put a stereo in the gym, let's put a TV in the living room, let's put a bigger stereo in the gym, let's put a bigger, bigger stereo in the gym, let's go redo what we've done. It's always audio. He's a very audio file person. Q. Do you know of any other modifications that he's made to the house at 358 El Brillo since the time that he went into jail? MR. CRITTON: Form; predicate. THE WITNESS: Meaning? Be more specific. 3527-003 Page 188 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_Ma0863 EFTA00159670

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Structural modifications, architectural modifications? A. Starting what date? Q. June 30th, 2008. MR. REINHART: I think the question on the table was have you observed any structural changes to the house at El Brillo since Mr. Epstein went to jail? 189 THE WITNESS: Structural changes? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Structural, architectural, anything like that, changes to the house, to the interior of the house since he went to jail? A. No. I mean, if you could be more specific. mean, you're talking furniture or? Q. I've never been in the house, so I can't be much more specific. Have you noticed any changes from before he went to jail to after he went to jail, the inside of the house, that you could be specific about? A. No, I can't be specific. MR. REINHART: Can I talk to Mr. Visoski for a second? MR. EDWARDS: Sure. (Off the record discussion.) 3527-003 Page 189 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_ONX0864 EFTA00159671

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 190 MR. REINHART: I think Mr. Visoski can expand on his previous answer. Why don't you expand. THE WITNESS: Can we go back to that one? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Sure. The question dealt with the structural architectural changes you're aware of. A. There has been a kitchen extension, but when you asked the question, I was unaware of when that actually took place. So to be accurately answering your question, I know there's been a kitchen extension. don't exactly know when that transpired, but... Q. How do you know about the extension? How do you know this happened? A. I knew what the kitchen looked like before and after the extension and I don't -- I thought it was during the hurricane season when they actually did that extension. Q. Who made you aware of it? A. Nobody. I just walked in the kitchen and noticed a bigger room than what it was. Q. All right. Do you know who Martin Nowack is? A. No. Q. Do you ever remember him being on your airplane, or that name of somebody being on your airplane? 3527-003 Page 190 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009865 EFTA00159672

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 191 A. No, I don't. It's not my airplane. Q. We still don't know whose airplane it is yet. The time when you took Mr. Epstein to Miami in the last month, do you know which attorney he was going to see? A. No, I do not. Q. And do you know whether it was related to civil cases or criminal cases or anything else? A. No idea. Q. Do you know where the location was in Miami that he was going to? A. No, I do not. Q. Other than yourself visiting Mr. Epstein at the Florida Science Foundation, are you aware of any other visitors, people that visited him? A. No, I'm not. Just whoever was there during my visit. Q. Okay. Are you aware of a corporation named the Zorro Trust? A. I've heard the name. Q. And is that something that you've heard relative to your involvement with Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. I mean, I don't even remember where I heard Zorro Trust. I have no definition of it, but I know the name is out there. Q. Okay. Is that a company that you believe is 3527-003 Page 191 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009866 EFTA00159673

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 192 affiliated or related to Jeffrey Epstein in some way? A. I have no definition. I don't know who it is. Q. Do you know how you heard about it? A. I don't remember. That's going back in the early days of when Zorro existed. Q. Who was at the Florida Science Foundation when you would meet with Jeffrey Epstein on these meetings? A. would be there. Q. Anybody else? A. Story would be there on occasion. That's pretty much it. Q. And would they be in the same room with yourself and Jeffrey Epstein when you had conversations with him? A. No, not really. Not particularly. Q. They would just be at the location? A. Sure, yes. Q. Anybody else that worked there or was affiliated with the Florida Science Foundation that you know of? A. Not to my knowledge. I mean, I do my business and get in and get out. Q. Can anybody other than Jeffrey Epstein have an office at the Florida Science Foundation? A. Not that I know of. 3527-003 Page 192 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009867 EFTA00159674

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 193 O. All right. And were you deeded the property that we spoke about earlier on the New Mexico ranch? Is that deeded to you? A. Yes. O. And has it been since back in, I think you said 1998 or 1999 or whenever it was? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And do you know -- and did you build a house on it then? A. Yes, I did. Q. Okay. And that's a property that I think you said you have a mortgage on it, that's a property that you pay mortgaged that property? A. Yes, sir. Q. All right. And as well, the home you own here, you have a mortgage on that property as well? A. That is correct. Q. All right. Are you familiar with a vehicle, a Chevy Suburban 1500, year 1999? A. Do you have a color? Q. No. I can tell you the plate. I could tell you the VIN. Chevy Suburban -- Chevy Suburban 1500, registered to Larry Visoski? A. That would be mine. That's a white one, then. Q. Okay. When did you get it? 3527-003 Page 193 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009868 EFTA00159675

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 194 A. I'm guessing. It was probably two years old when I got it. Maybe '99. Maybe '01, '02. Q. Something you still drive? A. Occasionally. It's kind of a beat up car now, so it's kind of a knock around. Q. Best of your knowledge, it stays parked at your house? A. Recently it's been in Jeffrey's driveway, but.. . Q. Why? A. Just for an extra car to use. Q. For Jeffrey to use? A. No. I mean, for anybody that would come to the house to help out. Igor I think has driven the car before. Q. How did it come about that you began to park the Chevy Suburban, the 1999 car that we're talking about, at Jeffrey's house? A. When there was more activity here in West Palm Beach. We were never usually coming here that often, and now with all this going on, with Jeffrey being in town longer, we needed more cars and transportation. So my car was just sitting in the driveway at home while I was driving the Hummer. So I decided to let them use the Hummer at the house. 3527-003 Page 194 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009869 EFTA00159676

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 195 Q. Well, we've just described this wide array of cars that Jeffrey had for people to use -- A. Well, you said for him to use. MR. CRITTON: Hold it. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Is there a reason why? MR. CRITTON: Wait. You guys are both talking over one another. You need to let him wait and finish his question because if I want to assert an objection, neither one of you gives me a chance, which may be the plan. Form. MR. EDWARDS: Yeah, we have a conspiracy against you. MR. CRITTON: I knew it. I'll take that as an admission. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Is there any reason -- did Jeffrey say that he wanted that vehicle to use or to be parked at his house? A. No. Q. Then how did it come about that you started parking that vehicle at his home? A. I think the origination of that came when I started using the Hummer, that the Suburban was parked in my driveway and I wanted to get it out of my driveway as an eyesore. So hence, I decided to let people at the 3527-003 Page 195 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009870 EFTA00159677

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 196 house drive it as a grocery shopping car or something, or just as extra transportation. Q. Okay. But when you go to park the car at somebody else's house, you have to let them know, Hey, I'm giving you the keys? A. Mm-hmm. Q. Who did you give the keys to? A. I don't know if I gave the keys to anybody. I may have just left them on the counter there and told Yanush this is an extra car if you guys needed it to run around because it was an eyesore at my driveway. Q. Are you familiar with a Mercedes-Benz SUV 1999? now? A. Say that again. Q. Mercedes SUV, 1999 registered in your name? A. Yes. Q. And what car is that? A. That's my car -- my wife's car. Q. Does that stay at your house? A. Yes. Q. And that's the car that's parked at your house A. Yes. Q • Are you familiar with a Land Rover, Range Rover Sport 2008? 3527-003 Page 196 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTASO009871 EFTA00159678

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 197 A. Yes. Q. Registered in your name? A. Yes. Q. And whose car is that? A. That's another extra car for the household to use at Jeffrey's house. Q. And when was that car purchased? A. Last year. Q. And who purchased that car? A. It was purchased in my name. Q. By whom? Who purchased the car in your name? A. Well, I put the car in my name, but the funds came from -- they were wired to my account from New York. Q • From whom, though? A mysterious source just sent funds? We know that didn't happen, so I'm just trying to elaborate here. A. Jeffrey had paid for the car. Q. Okay. And why did Jeffrey pay for a car and put it in your name? A. I don't know. Q. I mean, you had to agree for this to happen. So what was the conversation between you and Jeffrey that resulted in Jeffrey paying for a Land Rover, a 2008 Land Rover and putting it in your name? 3527-003 Page 197 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009872 EFTA00159679

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 198 A. I don't recall exactly how the conversation came about. He just says we want to buy an '08 Land Rover and put it in my name. So we did. I didn't ask any further questions. Q. Did this conversation happen when he was in jail or after he was out? A. Meaning out on house arrest? Q. Right. A. When you say "out" I think of the Science Foundation. On work release, so you have to be more specific. Q. You tell me what happened, when the conversation happened relative to where Jeffrey was at the time. A. I'd only be guessing again. I would say this probably happened a year ago, maybe less than a year ago. I'd have to look. I don't remember exactly the -- Q. So it was either at a time when he's at the Florida Science Foundation or possibly on house arrest? A. It was -- no, it was definitely before house arrest. It was probably during the time of the Florida Science Foundation, to be accurate. Q. Okay. Are you aware -- A. About eight or nine months ago. Q. Okay. Are you aware of a Mercedes-Benz CLK 3527-003 Page 198 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009873 EFTA00159680

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 199 2005 registered in your name? A. Yes. Q. And whose car is that? A. That car also is a Palm Beach house car to be used at the house. Q. What does that mean, 'a Palm Beach house car'? A. It's a car that we park in Jeffrey's driveway for people to use. Anybody that comes to the house can select a car to go anywhere. I mean, run errands, go shopping, do whatever they need to do. And that was purchased the same way. It was in my name. Q. And the funds came from Jeffrey Epstein? A. They were wired to my account. I don't know exactly what account they came from. O. Again, that's a conversation that has to take place before -- that you have to agree to put a car in your name? A. Yes, yes. Q. And is that a conversation between yourself and Jeffrey Epstein that takes place? A. Yes. Q. And what is the substance of that conversation that results in a Mercedes-Benz 2005 being placed in your name? A. He just said we need a fun car for the house 3527-003 Page 199 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009874 EFTA00159681

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in Palm Beach. Q • But why put it in your name? A. I don't know. Q. You didn't ask any questions about that? 200 A. No, I didn't. Q. Okay. Are you aware of a Jaguar X-Type 2005 registered in your name? A. I forgot about that one, yes. Q. Whose car is that? A. That's a Palm Beach car. Q. What do you mean "a Palm Beach car"? A. It's the Palm Beach house car, another run around for people to use. Q. And again, that's a conversation that has to take place that results in a car being placed -- registered in your name? A. Yes. Q. here? Okay. Now we're talking about several cars A. Yes. Q. That are all being placed in your name? A. Yes. Q. You never at any time ask any questions to Jeffrey Epstein why are you placing these cars in my name? 3527-003 Page 200 of 227 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00009875 EFTA00159682