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TODD BLANCHE: Aside from that flight, do 16 you know him from any other thing? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 18 TODD BLANCHE: Naomi Campbell? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, I do know Naomi, 20 and I knew her before I met Mr. Epstein and Mr. -- 21 former President Clinton. 22
any other thing? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 18 TODD BLANCHE: Naomi Campbell? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, I do know Naomi, 20 and I knew her before I met Mr. Epstein and Mr. -- 21 former President Clinton. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether 23 Mr. Epstein s
before I met Mr. Epstein and Mr. -- 21 former President Clinton. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether 23 Mr. Epstein separately knew Ms. Campbell? 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think she -- he 25 probably met her through me, that I imagine. Page 270 1 TODD BLANCHE: And so fo
cientific discoveries -- 6 well, not all of them, but many of them are coming 7 from the Eastern block and that's how we have the 8 relationship with Santa Fe Institute. 9 And Murray Gell-Mann, specifically. And I 10 introduced Epstein to Murray Gell-Mann. Sorry, to go 11 off on a tangent. 12
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TODD BLANCHE: Aside from that flight, do 16 you know him from any other thing? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 18 TODD BLANCHE: Naomi Campbell? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, I do know Naomi, 20 and I knew her before I met Mr. Epstein and Mr. -- 21 former President Clinton. 22
Page: Interview_Transcript_Maxwell_2025-07-25-cft_p15 →any other thing? 17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. 18 TODD BLANCHE: Naomi Campbell? 19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, I do know Naomi, 20 and I knew her before I met Mr. Epstein and Mr. -- 21 former President Clinton. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether 23 Mr. Epstein s
Page: Interview_Transcript_Maxwell_2025-07-25-cft_p15 →before I met Mr. Epstein and Mr. -- 21 former President Clinton. 22 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether 23 Mr. Epstein separately knew Ms. Campbell? 24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think she -- he 25 probably met her through me, that I imagine. Page 270 1 TODD BLANCHE: And so for
Page: Interview_Transcript_Maxwell_2025-07-25-cft_p15 →cientific discoveries -- 6 well, not all of them, but many of them are coming 7 from the Eastern block and that's how we have the 8 relationship with Santa Fe Institute. 9 And Murray Gell-Mann, specifically. And I 10 introduced Epstein to Murray Gell-Mann. Sorry, to go 11 off on a tangent. 12
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