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, but we decline to draw an arbitrary line. The victims' argument has an ipse dixit quality—that is, because our Court has never before applied the Penman doctrine outside of the grand jury context, we should not do so now. But we must ask instead whether applying the doctrine here makes sense. 11 E
the privilege asserted by appellants is without a basis in Florida law" and that appellants "have no privilege of nondisclosure under state law"); Rossi City of Memphis, 423 F.3d 596,599 (6th Cir. 2005) ("[Perlman] jurisdiction does not depend on the validity of the appellant's underlying claims for reli
, but we decline to draw an arbitrary line. The victims' argument has an ipse dixit quality—that is, because our Court has never before applied the Penman doctrine outside of the grand jury context, we should not do so now. But we must ask instead whether applying the doctrine here makes sense. 11 E
the privilege asserted by appellants is without a basis in Florida law" and that appellants "have no privilege of nondisclosure under state law"); Rossi City of Memphis, 423 F.3d 596,599 (6th Cir. 2005) ("[Perlman] jurisdiction does not depend on the validity of the appellant's underlying claims for reli
, but we decline to draw an arbitrary line. The victims' argument has an ipse dixit quality—that is, because our Court has never before applied the Penman doctrine outside of the grand jury context, we should not do so now. But we must ask instead whether applying the doctrine here makes sense. 11 E
the privilege asserted by appellants is without a basis in Florida law" and that appellants "have no privilege of nondisclosure under state law"); Rossi City of Memphis, 423 F.3d 596,599 (6th Cir. 2005) ("[Perlman] jurisdiction does not depend on the validity of the appellant's underlying claims for reli
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