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, but we decline to draw an arbitrary line. The victims' argument has an ipse dixit quality—that is, because our Court has never before applied the Penman doctrine outside of the grand jury context, we should not do so now. But we must ask instead whether applying the doctrine here makes sense. 11 E
nothing more for the court to do but execute the judgment," Carpenter'. Mohawk Indus., Inc., 541 F.3d 1048, 1052 (11th Cir. 2008) (quoting McMahon' Presidential Airways, Inc., 502 F.3d 1331, 1338 (11th Cir. 2007)), aff d, 558 U.S. 100, 130 S. Ct. 599. Discovery orders are ordinarily not final orders that are immediately
, but we decline to draw an arbitrary line. The victims' argument has an ipse dixit quality—that is, because our Court has never before applied the Penman doctrine outside of the grand jury context, we should not do so now. But we must ask instead whether applying the doctrine here makes sense. 11 E
nothing more for the court to do but execute the judgment," Carpenter'. Mohawk Indus., Inc., 541 F.3d 1048, 1052 (11th Cir. 2008) (quoting McMahon' Presidential Airways, Inc., 502 F.3d 1331, 1338 (11th Cir. 2007)), aff d, 558 U.S. 100, 130 S. Ct. 599. Discovery orders are ordinarily not final orders that are immediately
, but we decline to draw an arbitrary line. The victims' argument has an ipse dixit quality—that is, because our Court has never before applied the Penman doctrine outside of the grand jury context, we should not do so now. But we must ask instead whether applying the doctrine here makes sense. 11 E
nothing more for the court to do but execute the judgment," Carpenter'. Mohawk Indus., Inc., 541 F.3d 1048, 1052 (11th Cir. 2008) (quoting McMahon' Presidential Airways, Inc., 502 F.3d 1331, 1338 (11th Cir. 2007)), aff'd, 558 U.S. 100, 130 S. Ct. 599. Discovery orders are ordinarily not final orders that are immediately
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