the last 20 years? I have -- 1 don't think so. Okay. As I stand here today, I have no recollection of ever being in New Mexico except to visit the Ashes in January of 2000. I'm 77 years old. I've lived a long life. It is certainly possible that at some earlier point in my life -- I mean, I've been i

er being in New Mexico. And I can tell you unequivocally the only time I was ever at Jeffrey Epstein's ranch was that one time with my wife with the Ashes, with my daughter. And we only stayed there for an hour and the house was not completed. it was under construction. And I certainly did not have any