her. Q. Switching gears. Between 1991 and 2004, what planes did you fly for Mr. Epstein? A. From '91 to 2004? Q. Yes. A. The first aircraft was a Hawker Siddeley, what's called an HS125. Mr. Epstein purchased that. He had that aircraft from '91 till 1994. And then in 1994, he sold that aircraft and he purch