13 A. I have no idea. All I know is that his law 14 firms fried to hire my father. 15 Q. And when did e tell you that? 16 A. Last year. 17 Q. Meaning calendar year '08? 18 A. Yep. 19 Q. And was incarcerated recently? 20 A. Yes, he was. 21 Q. And when was he incarcerated? 22 A. I believe