nd also when Mr. Epstein had 6 the message. So I don't know who use it on who. because sonatinas they all disappear up there. 8 Mr. Epstein, Ms. Massiall and steever was up there. 9 Q. So as 1 understand It, you couldn't isolate a 10 partleuler instant uhOre -- II A. 1 Cannot. 12 Q. -- Ms. Ma