ions. 24 I know -- I think I talked to Josernberg 25 once or twice, and the nano would be with regard to 126 I one 'meting with other counsel. Bob Sonefaberg wan not 2 at that meeting. 3 0 So you've known Bob Josefaborg for a long 4 time, right? 5 A Yeah. 4 Q He's ono of the top trial lawyers in o