03/29/2021 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes, I reviewed it. Q. Is the individual referred to as Minor Victim 4 in the proposed superseding indictment? A. Yes. Q. Before you began investigating Epstein and his associates was there a prior investigation by a different FBI office in Florida into Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. Q. During that investigation was interviewer in 2007? A. Yes. Q. Have you reviewed a report from that interview? A. Yes. Q. During that interview did describe providing numerous paid sexualized massages to Epstein at his Palm Beach residence when she was underage? A. Yes. Q. Did mention Maxwell at all during that interview? A. No. Q. During your more recent interviews with her in 2021 did explain why she did not mention Maxwell during her 2007 interview? A. Yes. Q. What did she say about that? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000323 EFTA00008844

03/29/2021 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. She was not asked. Q. She was not asked about Maxwell? A. Correct. Q. Did she think that Maxwell was important to the interview in 2007? A. No. Q. Did sue Jeffrey Epstein in approximately 2008? A. Yes. Q. 2009? Was she deposed, as part of that law suit, in A. Yes. Q. Have you reviewed a transcript of that deposition? A. Yes. Q. During that deposition in 2009 did state that Maxwell was one of the people who would call her to schedule massage appointments with Epstein? A. Yes. Q. Was asked any other questions about Maxwell, or any follow-up questions about Maxwell, during that 2009 deposition? A. No. Q. After that deposition did the law suit settle? A. Yes. Q. During her more recent interviews did FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000324 EFTA00008845

03/29/2021 103 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 admit that she lied during her 2009 deposition? A. Yes. Q. And in particular, in her 2021 interviews did tell you that after she stopped seeing Epstein she began working for an escort service? A. Yes. Q. During her 2021 interviews did admit that, as part of that escort service, she engaged in paid sex acts with men? A. Yes. Q. Now, during her 2009 deposition was asked about her time working for an escort service? A. Yes. Q. Did she lie and claim that she had engaged in no sex acts and only non-sexual dates as part of that escort service? A. Yes. Q. Did she explain why she lied during her deposition? A. Yes. Q. What did she say about that? A. She was embarrassed. Q. Was she ashamed to admit that she had worked as a prostitute, during her deposition? A. Yes. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000325 EFTA00008846

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 03/29/2021 104 Q. Has struggled with drug addiction in the years since her time with Epstein? A. Yes. Q. Did she, in particular, become addicted to cocaine and crack cocaine? A. Yes. Q. Was she also in a car crash after which she was prescribed opioids? A. Yes. Q. And did she become addicted to opioids? A. Yes. Q. Between the ages of 18 and 26 was arrested and convicted, on multiple times including misdemeanors and felonies, for crimes arising out of her drug use, such as drug possession and traffic violations? A. Yes. Q. Was her last felony an incident involving stolen property when she pawned an Xbox that belonged to one of 's friends? A. Yes. Q. As a result of that conviction did spend several weeks in jail? A. Yes. Q. And was that the longest jail sentence she had ever served? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000326 EFTA00008847

03/29/2021 1 A. Yes. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. After was released from that jail sentence did she go into drug treatment and obtain mental health treatment? A. Yes. Q. Was that several years ago? A. Yes. Q. What does do now? A. She's a stay-at-home mother. Q. Is she married? A. Yes. Q. To someone other than A. Yes. Q. Does she have three young children with her current husband? A. Yes. Q. Does he work while she takes care of the kids? A. Yes. Q. Has received treatment for depression, anxiety, PTSD, and schizophrenia, among other mental health issues? A. Yes. Q. As for her schizophrenia, does that manifest in hearing voices telling her that someone's going to take her children away and hurt her children? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000327 EFTA00008848

03/29/2021 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. Does believe that that comes from a fear that what happened to her as a child could happen to her children? A. Yes. Q. Is able to tell the difference between those voices and reality? A. Yes. Q. Does she take medication to help her not hear those voices? A. Yes. Q. Does currently take multiple medications to help her manage her drug addiction and her mental health issues? A. Yes. Q. Do those include Methadone, Xanax, and medical marijuana? A. Yes. Q. Is currently, or has she ever, sued Maxwell? A. No. Q. Does she have any plans to do so? A. No. Q. Have you identified evidence that corroborates account of her time interacting with Epstein and FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000328 EFTA00008849

03/29/2021 107 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Maxwell? A. Yes. Q. Did you interview A. Yes. Q. What is the current nature of ex-boyfriend, and relationship? A. They have a child in common, and they talk very minimally just because they have a child in common. Q. So do they only speak when necessary to discuss their teenage son? A. Yes. Q. According to were he and dating when about 17 years old? A. Yes. Q. Did and was about 14 years old and Shawn was remember that he, and would hang out around that time? A. Yes. Q. What di( recall about how came to meet Jeffrey Epstein? A. He recalls that the four of them were hanging out, and they had mentioned -- to them that and had mentioned could go to massage an old man and she FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000329 EFTA00008850

03/29/2021 108 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 would be paid money in return for that. Q. After that what does remember happening? A. He recalls that went to Epstein's house, with to do the massage. Q. Did recall bringing to Epstein's Palm Beach residence on multiple occasions? A. Yes. Q. Did remember receiving phone calls to schedule appointments for to massage Epstein? A. Yes. Q. What, if anything, did remember about meeting Jeffrey Epstein? A. He recalls meeting him at his house Epstein's house; he recalls that Epstein was there with his car, and he was showing off his car; he recalls that Epstein was flashy. Q. What, if anything, did remember saying about Maxwell? A. He recalls that said Maxwell was rude and nasty and that she was supposed to be teaching her how to do massages. Q. What did remember doing with the money that received from Epstein? A. They purchased drugs; and Q. and would purchase drugs? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000330 EFTA00008851

03/29/2021 109 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. What did understand was happening when was at Epstein's Palm Beach residence? A. He understood that she was going in there to give massages to Epstein but felt that there may have also been something else going on. Q. What did remember about bringing other girls to Epstein's residence? A. He recalls that she had brought other girls. Q. Did he remember that both and the other girls would get paid for going to Epstein's house? A. Yes. Q. Turning to the next slide. During the prior investigation into Epstein did the other FBI office obtain certain Federal Express records regarding Epstein? A. Yes. Q. Was there one in particular from October of 2002 that is up on the slide right now? A. Yes. Q. Would you please walk the grand jury through what we see on this slide? A. Sure. On the left-hand side it says, picked up October 7th of 2002. The sender's address is on the bottom. In the middle it says, Jeffrey E. Epstein; his address is 457 Madison Avenue, New York, New York. It was sent FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_0000033 I EFTA00008852

03/29/2021 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to -- the recipient being -- Q. And is name spelled instead CL in the recipient column? A. Yes. Q. And the 457 Madison Avenue address, is that in Manhattan? A. Yes. Q. How old was on October 7, 2002? A. Fifteen. Q. Have you interviewed a man named A. Yes. Q. Is that the same man about whom we read back testimony from Special Agent earlier today? A. Yes. Q. To remind the grand jury, did work for Epstein in the 1990s and early 2000s at Epstein's Palm Beach residence? A. Yes. Q. Did recall meeting A. Yes. Q. What did remember about how he first met A. He recalls driving Maxwell to a massage appointment at Mar-a-Lago. He was told to wait in the car FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000332 EFTA00008853

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 03/29/2021 111 while she got her massage. When she was done she got in the car and they started leaving the property. At some point during that drive, while still on the property, she was -- asked him to stop. She got out of the car and approached a female who was wearing a uniform at the time. Maxwell spoke to that female for about 20 minutes, and Mr. could not hear the conversation. Maxwell then got back in the car and drove back to Epstein's house. Shortly thereafter, later that day, that same girl arrived at the house. She soon became a regular at the house, and learned -- later learned -- her name to be Q. And when said that became a regular at the house, what was understanding of why was coming to Epstein's Palm Beach residence? A. To give Epstein massages. Q. Turning to the next slide. Have you reviewed flight records for Jeffrey Epstein's private jet? A. Yes. Q. Do those show multiple flights that was on when she was under the age of 18? A. Yes. Q. Was Maxwell present for some of those flights with A. Yes. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000333 EFTA00008854

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 03/29/2021 112 Q. Are two such flights reflected on this slide? A. Yes. Q. I'd like to ask you to please walk the grand jury through those two flight records. A. On December 11th and December 14th of 2000, you can see all the way at the bottom of the page, on the left-hand side it's marked 11 and 14; the first flight goes from PBI to Teterboro, which is Palm Beach in Florida and Teterboro is in New Jersey. On that flight was Epstein, Maxwell, and among others. The next flight, on the 14th, goes from Teterboro to the Virgin Islands. On that flight is Epstein, Maxwell, among others. Q. Based on your understanding of date of birth, how old was on these two flights? A. Seventeen. Q. Turning to the next slide. Does this slide show three additional flights that took with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell when she was 17 years old? A. Yes. Q. Would you please walk the grand jury through these three flights? A. Sure. The first flight is January 26, 2001. On that flight is Jeffrey Epstein, Maxwell, and FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_0O00O334 EFTA00008855

03/29/2021 113 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 among others. That was from Teterboro to Palm Beach. Down a little bit further there's another date that appears to be January 28th of 2001, although the 8 seems like it's a little faded, but does appear to be late January 2001. On that flight is Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and among others. And the last flight is the 30th of January, also 2001; this flight's had Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and on that flight. Q. Based on your review of flight records for Jeffrey Epstein's private jet have you found multiple additional flights in 2001 that took with Epstein and Maxwell when she was still 17 years old? A. Yes. Q. Have you reviewed certain phone records from the year 2004? A. Yes. Q. Did those phone records show that on at least two occasions in April and May of 2004 an employee of Epstein'. called phone number? A. Yes. Q. Turning to the next slide. During the prior investigation of Epstein was there a search executed at Epstein's Palm Beach residence in 2005 by the Palm Beach FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000335 EFTA00008856

03/29/2021 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Police Department? A. Yes. Q• During that search did the police recover message pads from the residence? A. Yes. Q. Would you please explain to the grand jury what message pads are? A. Sure. So message pads, in this particular instance, were pads that Epstein kept next to each of his phones in his residence. If someone was to call, whoever would answer that phone would jot down a note as to who the person was that was calling, who they were asking for, the time and date, and their phone numbers, and any specific message they wanted to leave. Q. Have you reviewed the message pads that were recovered from Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach residence in 2005? with A. Yes. Q. Do those message pads include several messages name and/or phone number on them? A. Yes. Q. Do those message-pad excerpts date between the years 2003 and 2005? A. Yes. Q. Up on this slide right now, are those two examples FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000336 EFTA00008857

03/29/2021 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of message-pad excerpts that reference A. Yes. Q. Would you please walk the grand jury through these message pad excerpts? A. Sure. The first one says the message is for Mr. Epstein. The date is 3/1/2003. 3/11? Q. I'm sorry, I think you said 3/1, did you mean A. I'm sorry. It's a little faded. 3/11/2003. The message is from and the phone number -- also a little faded here -- but says, . The second message says it's for JE, Jeffrey Epstein; the date is March 16, 2003; the message is from ; same number as the previous message is . The message on the bottom says she wants to work. Q. And just to remind the grand jury, did tell you that there were times when she would call to ask to massage Epstein so that she could get more money for drugs? A. Yes. Q. Turning to the next slide. Are these additional message pad excerpts seized from Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach residence in 2005? A. Yes. Q. these? Would you please walk the grand jury through FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000337 EFTA00008858

03/29/2021 116 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Sure. The first one on the left says the message is for JE, Jeffrey Epstein. It's from There's -- the date is missing on this one, but it says the time is 12:30. The phone number is . The one on the right says the message is also, again, JE for Jeffrey Epstein. There's no date; the time is 3:15 It's from p.m. , phone number The message states, ■ wants to work. Q. During the search in 2005 of Epstein's Palm Beach residence were additional messages recovered that are nor included on these slides? A. Yes. Q. Additionally, were multiple massage tables seize° from the residence in 2005? A. Yes. Q• Was at least one of those tables manufactured outside of the state of Florida? A. Yes. Q. Have you reviewed photographs and a video recording from that 2005 search of the Palm Beach residence? A. Yes. Q. Would you please describe for the grand jury, based on those photographs and that video, what the massage room in the Palm Beach residence looked like? A. Sure. It was basically a master bathroom. There FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000338 EFTA00008859

03/29/2021 117 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 was glass doors which appear to go back into a shower. There's a sink in the room; there is a couch in the room; there's several door in the room, one of which leads into a closet. Inside of the closet on the walls, also on the walls of the massage room, there were multiple photographs, some of them being of nude women. Q. Was there also a massage table in that closet? A. Yes. Photographed was a massage table inside of the closet. Q. Have you told the grand jury everything you know about this case, or have you merely answered the questions that I've asked you? A. I've merely answered the questions. Q. When you testified about conversations you had with others, or documents you reviewed, did you testify to the exact words or just the substance? A. Just the substance. Q. And are you willing to return to the grand jury if the grand jurors have additional questions for you? A. Of course. MS. Then with the Foreperson's permission I'll ask that the witness please be excused. FOREPERSON. Yes, he may. MS. Thank you. (Witness Excused) FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000339 EFTA00008860

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CERTIFICATE 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and accurate transcription, to the best of my skill and ability, from my electronic notes of this proceeding. April 5, 2021 Date Reporter Free State Reporting, Inc . FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_0000034I EFTA00008862