LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 101 1 MR. : Another 8-hour shift. 2 MR. : Okay. So, you 3 MR. : So, it depends on, you know, 4 the number of people we have, those 5 volunteering. So, right now we're in the 6 hiring process where we are getting, you know, 7 bodies to fill in these positions. 8 MR. : So, an overtime shift is 9 eight additional hours? 10 MR. : Eight additional hours. 11 MR. : Okay. Is there any -- 12 MS. : Go ahead. 13 MR. : -- is there any limit on 14 how many 16-hour days a week an employee can 15 work? 16 MR. : You just can't exceed the 17 amount of 16 hours in a day. 18 MR. : Could you explain that for 19 me? 20 MR. : Okay. You work eight hours. 21 MR. : Right. 22 MR. : You can only work 16 hours 23 that day. 24 MR. : Okay. 25 MR. : You can't work 24 hours. EFTA00125566

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 102 1 You can't, you're not like a fireman where, you 2 know, you're on duty 24 hours in. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MR. : SO, there's a limit on the 5 daily. 6 MR. : Okay. 7 MR. : That you can do. 8 MR. : But there's no limit on 9 how many days in a row you can work those 16 10 hours? 11 MR. : No. If somebody wants to, 12 they could. 13 MR. : Do you have any unofficial 14 or any guidance on that front? 15 MR. : No, not really, because I 16 mean you have some people that sign up for 17 overtime. 18 MR. : Got you. 19 MR. : You know? They say 20 MR. : Um-hum. 21 MR. : -- hey, they might, I don't 22 know people's financial situations. 23 MR. : Right. 24 MR. : But they might say, hey, you 25 know, I need to get some extra money -- EFTA00125567

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. : Yeah. 2 MR. : -- for X, Y and Z. So, I 3 don't know the specifics -- 4 MR. : Okay. 5 MR. : -- on why somebody would. 6 MR. : You know I had a previous 7 job where my supervisor wouldn't let us work 21 8 days in a row. We had to take that 22nd day 9 off. 10 MR. : Right. 11 MR. : Do you guys have anything 12 unofficial like that that -- 13 MR. : Well they have their two 14 days off. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : So, you get two days off. 17 So -- 18 MR. : Is that -- 19 MR. : -- and that -- 20 MR. : Is it required that they 21 take those two days? 22 MR. : Yeah. You take your two 23 days. What you choose to do with those two 24 days is your business. But we don't, like if 25 someone, it has to be an emergency. Let's say EFTA00125568

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 104 1 it's your Friday. You won't get mandated on a 2 Friday because Federal Law states you have to 3 have X amount of hours off during the week. 4 MR. : Okay. 5 MR. : In conjunction to days off. 6 So, (Indiscernible *01:08:57). 7 MR. : So, the most 16-hour days 8 an employee can work is five, so they have two 9 days off? 10 MR. : Well not necessarily, 11 because you could say hey I want to work on my 12 days off. 13 MR. : Okay. So, you can come in 14 on your days off then? 15 MR. : On your days off. That's 16 voluntary. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 MR. : I can't just turn around 19 MR. : Sure. 20 MR. : -- and say you have to stay 21 but if you want -- 22 MR. : Okay. 23 MR. : Um -- 24 MR. : Okay. Anything on the 25 overtime? EFTA00125569

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 105 1 MS. : No. 2 MR. : Okay. Talk a little bit 3 about the cameras in the facility. 4 MR. : Okay. 5 MR. : What is your understanding 6 on the general reliability of them? 7 MR. : They're not good. We were 8 just funded to get new cameras installed but, 9 you know, when you're installing the cameras, 10 there's a lot you have to do. The building is 11 built in 1975. It's not like a new building, 12 and we've got to go through cinderblock. 13 There's a lot of things that, you know, are in 14 that block. Asbestos. So, we have to do the 15 wiring. SO, the system is outdated. Um -- 16 MR. : When you say they're not, 17 are they not reliable? Is it poor quality in 18 recording? What's the 19 MR. : It's the recording, but what 20 do they call that, the DVRs? 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MR. : The ones that hold the 23 recordings, they're breaking down. So, 24 sometimes we have where they're not recording. 25 We have to get it fixed, you know, more along EFTA00125570

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 106 1 those lines. 2 MR. : How were you aware, how 3 are you as the Warden made aware of cameras not 4 working appropriately or any issues with the 5 recording devices? 6 MR. : The department head would 7 bring it up to me, or the Associate Warden 8 would tell me, you know, we were informed that 9 the cameras aren't working. 10 MR. : What is the normal 11 procedure when the cameras go down? 12 MR. : So, if the cameras go down, 13 then the contact has to look and determine 14 what's the problem with the cameras. 15 MR. : Okay. How long would you 16 say that the cameras have been unreliable? 17 MR. : What do you mean by 18 "unreliable?" 19 MR. : I'm sorry, how long would 20 you say the cameras have been not working? 21 MR. : They work, but periodically 22 they go down. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MR. : That's what I meant by it, 25 but they do record. You can, you know, it's EFTA00125571

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 107 1 the quality. Like you go to some places and 2 some agencies where you have that bird vision 3 type camera. That's not what we have. 4 MR. : Okay. 5 MR. : I mean, it's, you can see 6 things, we can do some identifying, but they're 7 not, you know, and they're only in certain 8 locations. 9 MS. : And again, the chain of 10 notification is the staff, the Corrections 11 Officers or Corrections worker notifies the 12 Shift Lieutenant? 13 MR. : As far as with the cameras? 14 MS. : Yes. If they're -- 15 MR. : It depends on -- 16 MS. : -- not operating. 17 MR. : -- who's using the cameras 18 and reviewing the cameras. 19 MS. : Okay. 20 MR. : You know, usually our 21 investigative department's doing it, and they 22 do the check, and if they come in and check and 23 check the cameras and say, stuff's not 24 recording, then they notify the Comp Shop or 25 the facilities manager and say, hey, we have a EFTA00125572

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 108 1 problem. The cameras are not recording. 2 MS. : So, does SIS have a room 3 where they can see the cameras in the facility? 4 MR. : We have a, the camera room 5 is in our communications room behind that area. 6 MS. : Okay. So, if a camera, if 7 the camera in the SHU was not working -- 8 MR. : Um-hum. 9 MS. : -- someone in that camera 10 room would be able to see that there's no feed 11 from that particular camera? 12 MR. : It's not the feed, it's the 13 recording. You can have, you always have the 14 life feed that you can see what's going on. 15 it's the recording of it. 16 MS. : Um-hum. 17 MR. : And the recordings 18 typically, and don't quote me on it, are on a 19 two-week or less timeline. So, what it is is, 20 if it gets to that two-week period, the memory 21 gets full, then it starts re-recording over 22 again. So, that's how most camera systems 23 work. 24 MS. : But if for instance a 25 camera in the SHU was down -- EFTA00125573

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 109 1 MR. : Right. 2 MS. : -- someone in that camera 3 room would see that the camera was down. 4 MR. : Or the SIS would check and 5 say, determine hey the recordings are not down 6 or yeah, you're right, or even the screen. 7 MS. : Um-hum. 8 MR. : If we didn't have a visual 9 screen to say, hey, there's problems with the 10 camera. 11 MS. : And did that happen with 12 the SHU camera? Was anyone notified that it 13 wasn't working? 14 MR. : Well, and this is what I was 15 told after the fact, the SIS Lieutenant I 16 believe conveyed that to the Communication 17 Officer that there was a problem with the 18 cameras. 19 MS. : Is that Lieutenant 20 (phonetic sp.)? 21 MR. : Lieutenant 22 MS. : And it's a she? 23 MR. : Yes, she. 24 MS. : When did she know about 25 it? EFTA00125574

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 110 1 MR. : I believe she told me she 2 told him on Thursday that she made a 3 notification for it. 4 MS. : Okay. 5 MR. : Um -- 6 MS. : And that would be an oral 7 notification? 8 MR. : I'm not sure. 9 MS. : Okay. 10 MR. : But she did say she notified 11 him. So -- 12 MS. : Okay. 13 MR. : Are you made aware of 14 those notifications as well that the cameras 15 are down and not working? 16 MR. : It would depend. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 MR. : You know, on how bad it was. 19 If it was something that you can run out and 20 fix immediately, you know, it would say, hey, 21 you know, we can fix it. But if it was 22 something that was going to be for a while, I 23 would have to be notified. 24 MR. : And were you notified of 25 this? EFTA00125575

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. : I was told on Saturday. 2 yeah. 3 MR. : Okay. You were told after 4 5 MR. : After -- 6 MR. : -- the fact. 7 MR. : -- the fact I was told. 8 MR. : Okay. 9 MR. : That the cameras weren't 10 working. 11 MR. : I'm sorry, just who 12 notified you of this? 13 MR. : Lieutenant told me. 14 MR. : Lieutenant, okay. Talking 15 about, let's talk about phone calls in the SHU. 16 MR. : Um-hum. 17 MR. : What are the regulations 18 or policies about giving inmates unreported 19 phone calls? 20 MR. : During the intake screening, 21 you can come in and in certain SHU situations, 22 an inmate will get an unmonitored call if they 23 don't have their telephone account set up. 24 MR. : okay. 25 MR. : So, they're afforded that EFTA00125576

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 112 1 opportunity. 2 MR. : How does the inmate get a 3 telephone account set up? 4 MR. : Typically he has to go out 5 of SHU into a housing unit and go through the 6 voice recognition process in order to get set 7 up for it. You can't do it in the Special 8 Housing Unit. 9 MR. : And we said earlier that 10 Mr. Epstein was never left, was always in 11 Special Housing Unit. 12 MR. : Was always in the Special 13 Housing Unit. 14 MR. : Did he have an opportunity 15 to get a telephone account set up? 16 MR. : The problem with Mr. Epstein 17 was he was in the attorney room all day. 18 MR. : Okay. 19 MR. : From beginning to end, and 20 that's something that you do during the daytime 21 because our communications people are there. 22 So, we did, and then again, he had to be in an 23 assigned unit to get that. It's just to have 24 it set up. 25 MR. : Okay. Was Mr. Epstein EFTA00125577

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 allowed phone calls? 2 MR. : Was he what? 3 MR. : Was Mr. Epstein allowed 4 phone calls? 5 MR. : Yeah. His initial one, he 6 didn't get his initial one, so we had to give 7 him a call, his initial call when he came in. 8 MR. : Okay. 9 MR. : Then while you're in the 10 Special Housing Unit, you're entitled to one 11 call every 30 days. 12 MR. : Okay. 13 MR. : So, he was entitled to a 30- 14 day phone call. 15 MR. : And are those normally 16 monitored, recorded? How do those? 17 MR. : Typically in his case, that 18 he didn't have his monitor set up, the unit 19 manager stood there and listened to the call. 20 MR. : Okay. Um -- 21 MS. : And would that be the 22 Lieutenant? 23 MR. : No. It was the Unit 24 Manager. 25 MS. : And who would that be? EFTA00125578

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. : That was Mr. 2 (phonetic sp.), 3 MS. : Okay. 4 MR. : So -- 5 MR. : So, Mr. should 6 have been listening to that phone call? 7 MR. : Right, and from what I 8 understand, he was listening. 9 MR. : Okay. Are those phone 10 calls recorded anywhere to ensure just to -- 11 MR. : No, they're not recorded, 12 but we can trace the phone line to get the 13 phone number. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MR. : To determine where the call 16 was made. 17 MR. : Okay. And in tracing of 18 that to get the phone number, is the length of 19 the call -- 20 MR. : Yes. 21 MR. : -- noted as well? 22 MR. : Yes. 23 MR. : Okay. But in terms of 24 putting that into a system or a monitoring, 25 there's not a database for that? EFTA00125579

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 115 1 MR. : We didn't, because again, he 2 wasn't set up. 3 MR. : Okay. Are you aware of 4 how many phone calls Mr. Epstein's made while 5 in the Special Housing Unit? 6 MR. : I'm not sure. I'm not aware 7 how many made. But I don't, I know he made 8 that one -- 9 MR. : Um-hum. 10 MR. : -- that day and I'm aware of 11 the initial one, but I don't believe he made 12 that many, because I do believe I saw a 13 correspondence that his attorney made to our 14 attorney about him getting a phone call. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : That he hadn't gotten a 17 phone call. So, there's some correspondence on 18 that. 19 MR. : Okay. You got any else on 20 the -- 21 MS. : No. 22 MR. : Okay. 23 MR. III: Let's go over real quick 24 (Indiscernible *01:18:13). 25 MR. : We covered this a little EFTA00125580

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 116 1 earlier. I just wanted to go over it again. 2 When were you first notified of Mr. Epstein's 3 suicide, or medical, or situation? 4 MR. : About 6:45 -- 5 MR. : Okay. 6 MR. : -- 6:50. 7 MR. : Who did you notify? 8 MR. : I immediately called my boss 9 10 MR. : Okay. 11 MR. : -- to let him know and then 12 tell him that I was on my way to the 13 institution. 14 MR. : Did you notify anybody 15 else? 16 MR. : Who, me? 17 MR. : Yes. 18 MR. : No. I just, I let him know, 19 get dressed, get to the institution. 20 MR. : Okay. When you arrived az 21 the institution, did you speak to any staff 22 there? 23 MR. : When I got there, I saw 24 obviously the Lieutenant. Um -- 25 MR. : Which -- EFTA00125581

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 117 1 MS. : Lieutenant 2 MR. : Uh, Lieutenant when he 3 came in and my first, you know, any time you 4 have a suicide attempt, you want to make sure 5 your staff are all right and how they're doing. 6 So, I went to, you know, to check on him to 7 kind of get a debrief on what was going on. He 8 kind of debriefed me on the situation. Um -- 9 MR. : What did Lieutenant 10 tell you? 11 MR. : So, I asked him, so I 12 basically told him what happened, and he said, 13 he talked to Officer Noel and she said we 14 didn't do the 3 o'clock count or the 5 o'clock 15 count. 16 And then he said he talked to Noel, 17 Officer Noel, and she said, no he talked to 18 Officer Thomas and that Officer Thomas said, "I 19 messed up. We messed up." Something about it's 20 not her fault. But he said he was just talking 21 way off the line. 22 Let me back-track a little. I did make 23 one more call, because I couldn't get in 24 contact with Lieutenant I called up to 25 the Special Housing Unit. EFTA00125582

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 118 1 MR. : Okay. 2 MR. : And I believe Ms. Noel 3 picked up the phone, and I asked her, you know, 4 what was going. And she told me what was going 5 on. But she really couldn't talk. So, then I 6 came, when I got to the institution, I saw her 7 and I said, "Hey, are you all right? Is 8 everything fine." And she was like okay. 9 So, I had somebody from our crisis support 10 team that was there talk to her to make sure 11 that she was all right, and then I went to try 12 to find Thomas. She said Thomas had left. 13 So, I said, okay, "Left where? Where did 14 he go?" 15 They said, you know, "He went home. He 16 was distraught." 17 So, then I get another call saying Thomas 18 was outside, and that he told me, "I'm not 19 answering any questions from you. I want my 20 union", I said Thomas, "I'm not concerned about 21 what happened. I'm concerned about your well- 22 being. Make sure you're all right. You've 23 been through a traumatic experience", and he 24 just kept talking. 25 So, there was a staff member out there. I EFTA00125583

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 119 1 said, try to find him if he's outside. So, 2 they went outside and they said, you know, he 3 was gone. 4 I didn't see Ms. Noel, but I told them to 5 get a memorandum from her on what happened. 6 They told me said she wasn't feeling well and 7 she had to talk to her Union rep. 8 So, and I said, "You know what, let them 9 go. We'll get back with them or somebody will 10 get back with them." And they left. And we 11 just started the process of collecting and 12 preserving. 13 MS. : Have Noel or Thomas been 14 in to work since then? 15 MR. : No. Noel, I sent some 16 support staff on Sunday to go talk to them. 17 Today, the mother of Thomas' child, she works 18 at the institution but they're not together, 19 said, "Hey, he was with her all weekend but she 20 can't get in contact with him." I sent her and 21 a Lieutenant to go over to his house to find 22 out if he's okay. He called me a little irate 23 saying, "You know, you're sending people to my 24 house. You know, I was sleeping." 25 I said, "I'm checking on your well-being", EFTA00125584

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 120 1 you know. And then I didn't know, and I asked 2 him, I said, "Did you call in for work today?" 3 And he said, "Yes, I did." And he said, 4 "He was sleeping and he was tired." 5 And I said, "Well I'm just checking on 6 your well-being and just seeing how you are", 7 and I left it at that. 8 MS. : That was this morning? 9 MR. : That was this morning. 10 MS. : So, he basically called in 11 sick today? 12 MR. : He called in sick today. 13 She's on days off Monday and Tuesday. 14 MS. : Okay. 15 MR. : I'm going to assign both of 16 them with no inmate contact, so they're going 17 to be away from inmates and assigned on the 18 outside (Indiscernible *01:23:09). 19 MS. : And then Lieutenant 20 MR. : And then that's basically 21 what Lieutenant told me, and I told him, 22 "Write a memorandum on what was said", and he 23 wrote the memorandum and he submitted it. 24 MS. : Has he been in to work 25 since Saturday? EFTA00125585

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 121 1 MR. : Yes, he did. Actually he 2 stayed there late on Saturday. He basically 3 worked a double, and then he came back and 4 worked during the day on it. So, he hasn't 5 taken any time off. 6 MS. : Is he there now? 7 MR. : He's there. He's there 8 today, so he's working here. 9 MS. : And -- 10 MR. : Oh, and I do have an 11 addition. And I did ask him, you know, when he 12 got there what happened, and he says, he 13 doesn't know what the condition was because 14 when Thomas called for the emergency medical, 15 he opened the door and took him down himself 16 and started life-saving measures. 17 MS. : So, Epstein was hanging 18 from the door? 19 MR. : We don't know what he was 20 doing because Thomas was the first one there, 21 and when responding staff came, he was already 22 there doing compressions and life-saving 23 measures. So, I definitively can't say where, 24 was he hanging? What position he was or not 25 because nobody knows when they responded, so. EFTA00125586

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 122 1 MR. : What is the policy 2 regarding if an Officer or staff member sees an 3 inmate in that situation? 4 MR. : Okay. And I won't want to 5 quote this is a policy thing, but you call for 6 assistance and you wait for assistance to come 7 because you don't know if that's a ploy. So, 8 if you go in there as one person, and you know, 9 when somebody's hanging, that's dead. That is 10 dead weight. 11 So, you go in there, you don't know if 12 it's a ploy. So, you go in there and get 13 overpowered, guess what? Now that individual 14 has the cell door keys for every key on that 15 range, and that could be a recipe for disaster. 16 So, it might sound inhumane that, you 17 know, we have to wait because the individual on 18 the grill can't come down range either because 19 if they get overpowered, guess what, we've lost 20 a whole unit. And that's the most secure unit 21 in the institution. 22 So, she has to stay outside with the keys 23 on the grill because there are two different 24 keys. They don't mix. And we wait for 25 responding staff to come in and perform, you EFTA00125587

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 123 1 know, the life-saving measures without 2 endangering your safety. 3 So, he went in and, you know, so again, 4 there's no idea of what the cell looked like, 5 what his position was, or anything. 6 MS. : Captain and Captain 7 , are they at work now? 8 MR. : Captain 9 MS. : I think. 10 MR. : His secretary is 11 MS. : Okay. 12 MR. : Yeah. 13 MS. : That may be a mistake. 14 MR. : Yeah. 15 MS. : So, Captain was the 16 Captain on Friday; right? 17 MR. : Yes. 18 MS. : Okay. 19 MR. : And I need to, and I'm not 20 sure if he was at work either. I think he 21 might've been off. But is his 22 secretary. 23 MS. , okay. And 24 Lieutenant is it 25 MR. -: was the EFTA00125588

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 124 1 midnight Lieutenant. 2 MS. : Okay. And he, she? 3 MR. : She worked, apparently she 4 worked at night and relieved her early. 5 MS. : Okay. 6 MR. : At 5:33, but then I heard 7 she came back and then left again. So, I don't 8 know, I believe she went up to the unit. 9 MS. : Has she been at work since 10 then? 11 MR. : I believe she's on days off. 12 MS. : Okay. 13 MR. : So, she'll be back tonight. 14 MS. : Okay. Do you want to step 15 out for a minute? 16 MR. : Actually before -- 17 MS. : Unless you have anything 18 (Indiscernible *01:27:13). 19 MR. : Just a few 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MR. : -- if I can jump back a 22 little bit. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MR. : Specifically go back to, 25 did you have any one-on-one interactions with EFTA00125589

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 125 1 Epstein? 2 MR. : Let's see, I had one, I saw 3 him by the attorney visit, small conversation. 4 Another one I saw him when I was making rounds 5 on the unit when he had first gotten into the 6 cell with He was going into the shower. 7 I asked him, "How was everything going." He 8 said, "I'm good. I'm fine." 9 And then , I said, "How's he doing?" 10 was like, "I want to go back to a unit." 11 So, you know, was just that type of 12 conversation while making rounds. 13 MR. : Okay. Thank you. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MR. : And did you want just step 16 outside? 17 MR. : Huh? 18 MR. Do you mind if we just take 19 step out? 20 MR. : No, I have no problem. 21 MR. : It is 12:23. We're 22 pausing the interview. 23 We're resuming the interview at this time. 24 It is 12:29 in the afternoon. 25 MS. : Okay. So, the first EFTA00125590

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 126 1 question is, I just want to make sure we have 2 the name right. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MS. : The Lieutenant or the 5 Captain that you told that Epstein should have 6 a cellmate? 7 MR. : Well, it was Captain 8 9 MS. , okay. 10 MR. : Yeah. 11 MS. : Okay. And I know you're 12 probably already doing this, but we just wanted 13 to make sure you're preserving all of the 14 emails that you referenced, any text messages 15 that you've sent about this, any communications 16 that you've had at all. 17 MR. : Well when I had gave the 18 direction, it was given verbally in a meeting. 19 MS. : Um-hum. 20 MR. : I didn't send emails out. 21 had a direct conversation. 22 MS. : Okay. 23 MR. : So, it was everyone in the 24 room. So -- 25 MS. : Okay. But for instance, EFTA00125591

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 127 1 the email that you sent listing here are the 2 three possibilities for 3 MR. : Oh, yes. 4 MS. : -- who's 5 MR. : All of that -- 6 MS. : -- the best. All of that. 7 MR. : Yeah. If you want that 8 MS. : -- you're preserving. 9 MR. : -- that's there. It's 10 preserved. 11 MS. : Okay. 12 MR. : I'm sure this will 13 inevitably happen, and it's a report for this. 14 Has that already been drafted? Is that a 15 process? 16 MR. : For? 17 MR. : Will there be an incident 18 report regarding the discovery of Jeffrey 19 Epstein's body? 20 MR. : It's called a report of 21 incident, a 583. So, we did that today. 22 MR. : Okay. 23 MR. : You know 24 MR. : Um-hum. 25 MR. : -- just a brief statement on EFTA00125592

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 128 1 what happened, the times -- 2 MR. : Okay. 3 MR. : -- and moving forward with 4 that. 5 MR. : Do you know who drafted 6 that? 7 MR. : The SIS Lieutenant does it. 8 MR. : Okay. 9 MR. : And then I review it because 10 it's ultimately sent from me. It's a report of 11 incident -- 12 MR. : Um-hum. 13 MR. : -- to our central office. 14 So, I look at it, the synopsis. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : Just for terminology to make 17 sure it's accurate. And it's just a brief 18 statement saying that, you know, he made 19 rounds. 20 MR. : Um-hum. 21 MR. : He was unresponsive. Life- 22 saving measures were initiated. Taken to the 23 outside hospital and then he was pronounced 24 deceased at that time. And then we just move 25 on from there. EFTA00125593

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 129 1 MR. : Just a couple of more -- 2 MR. : Um-hum. 3 MR. : -- housekeeping stuff just 4 to say, have you had any contact with the press 5 regarding this? 6 MR. : No, I have not. 7 MR. : Has any press contacted 8 you directly? 9 MR. : No, they have not. 10 MR. : Have you directed any 11 staff to destroy anything? 12 MR. : No, I have not. 13 MR. : What directions have you 14 given the staff in terms of preserving things? 15 MR. : So, initially when we came, 16 when I got in, I told the Captain, get all the 17 log books up there, the rounds, anything 18 pertaining to get it and anything we can think 19 of that might be needed. And it's given to the 20 SIS. It's in the SIS office with the SIS 21 Lieutenant. 22 So, told them to preserve it, and whoever 23 needed it, I know the IG has come by. They've 24 taken some stuff. But basically preserve 25 everything that might be needed to be EFTA00125594

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 130 1 preserved. And then if any requests come, you 2 know, we'll go and get it and preserve it. 3 MR. : Are you -- 4 MS. : Can I just ask one quick 5 question about the log books? 6 MR. : Yeah. 7 MR. : Actually while she's 8 looking at it -- 9 MS. : Yeah. 10 MR. : do you mind? 11 MS. : This is -- 12 MR. : Are you aware of any 13 objects missing from his cell? Are you aware 14 of anything peculiar occurring since his 15 suicide? Since his body was discovered? 16 MR. : You mean missing from his 17 cell? 18 MR. : Yes. 19 MR. : I didn't observe the cell, 20 so I don't know what's in -- 21 MR. : Were you ever notified of 22 any, after his body was discovered, have you 23 been notified of any peculiarities or anything 24 that stuck out in your mind as odd? 25 MR. : As far as what would've been EFTA00125595

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 131 1 in his cell, or? 2 MR. : Anything in general as it 3 relates to him? 4 MR. : Not that I can think of. I 5 mean, it's just documents that we're still 6 trying to gather -- 7 MR. : Sure. 8 MR. and locate, but -- 9 MR. : It's nothing odd because I 10 don't know what happened in that cell. 11 MR. : Um-hum. 12 MR. : So, I don't know what 13 would be -- 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MR. : -- considered odd. Were 16 you aware of him having any contraband in his 17 cell? 18 MR. : Contraband? 19 MR. : Anything -- 20 MR. : Well -- 21 MR. : -- he wasn't supposed tc 22 have? Any unapproved things in his cell? 23 MR. : No. 24 MR. : Okay. 25 MR. : I mean, he would've received EFTA00125596

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 132 1 an incident report. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 MR. : And the only incident report 4 he had was, I guess it was the cloth that was 5 found on the initial one, but then our 6 Disciplinary Hearing Officer concluded that we 7 couldn't' sustain any charges on him because it 8 was inconclusive -- 9 MR. : Okay. 10 MR. : -- with it, but that's -- 11 MR. : Okay. And were you aware 12 of him having any enemies or anything, or being 13 a specific target by anybody? 14 MR. : Where? 15 MR. : In the institution? 16 MR. : No. I mean no one's came to 17 me specifically saying, you know, "He's my 18 enemy", or all that, so I don't, you know. 19 MR. : Was he not to be, not to 20 be celled with anybody because of any problems 21 that he would have, or -- 22 MR. : I mean. 23 MR. : Let me rephrase that a 24 little. Were you aware of any other inmates 25 who had targeted him specifically? EFTA00125597

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. 2 MR. 3 MR. 4 MS. 5 MR. 6 MS. 133 : No. : Okay. : Um-hum. : The log books : Um-hum. : -- just for the record, 7 I'm showing a log book Tier G dated 08/10/2019. 8 MR. : Right. 9 MS. : So, this is filled out by 10 a Corrections Officer 11 MR. : Right. 12 MS. : -- who's doing the checks 13 14 MR. : Right. 15 MS. : -- every 30 minutes. 16 MR. : Um-hum. 17 MS. : Correct? 18 MR. : Yes. 19 MS. : And they're supposed to 20 write the time they start and end and then 21 initial it? 22 MR. : Who did it. 23 MS. : And then the Operations 24 Lieutenant signs it at the end of the shift. 25 MR. : The shift that they reviewed EFTA00125598

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 134 1 it. 2 MS. : Okay. Okay. 3 MR. : This is not complete for the 4 simple fact that, you know, with the emergency 5 coming, I had them take it and preserve it. 6 So, it was part of the preservation. So, 7 that's probably why it doesn't go all the way 8 up to 8 o'clock. 9 MS. : Got it. 10 MR. : Because as soon as I came 11 in, I told the Lieutenant grab the 30-minute 12 checks. 13 MS. : And is this a signature or 14 a circle for a signature? 15 MR. : That's a signature. 16 MS. : Okay. 17 MR. : Whoever was in, and I 18 believe, and I'm not sure, but if it was the 19 morning watch Lieutenant, it would be 20 Lieutenant 21 MS. 22 MR. : Yeah. 23 MS. : I think that's all the 24 questions that we have. 25 MR. : Great. That's it. The EFTA00125599

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 135 1 time is now 12:35. Warden, we really 2 appreciate your time. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MR. : And the interview is 5 completed, oh actually before we do that. Is 6 there anything that you would like to tell us? 7 Any statements that you would like to make? 8 Anything you think we should know about the 9 incident in general? Just wanted to give you 10 an opportunity if there's anything that you 11 think we should know that we haven't discussed. 12 MR. : I can't think of anything 13 else. But I mean, as it comes along, I'll pass 14 it on to the IG. Anything I get or any 15 information. 16 MR. : Thank you. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00125600

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 136 1 CERTIFICATE 2 I hereby certify that the foregoing pages 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of , Transcriber EFTA00125601