LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 101 1 didn't have any visible problems, appeared in 2 good spirits, and reported getting along with 3 his cellmate. He had received his pack number, 4 which allows him to make phone calls, and he 5 had asked for his books from psychological 6 observation." When he received his pack 7 number, do you know if it was active, and was 8 he able to make phone calls with it? 9 MS. : That, I don't know. That, 10 only unit team would know. 11 MR. : Do you know around what 12 time the SHU meeting would have been held? 13 MS. : Thursdays. Thursdays, at 14 that time, they say that my meetings have 15 changed with different -- 16 MR. : Sure. 17 MS. every warden changes it. 18 MR. : And what time 19 MS. I believe they -- 20 MR. : -- did you work? 21 MS. were in the morning. 22 Like, around 9:00. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MS. : Like, 9:00. 25 MR. : So, if around, like, EFTA00112008

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 102 1 3:00, 3:30, the Marshals sent an email saying 2 that his cellmate was going to be transferred, 3 that wouldn't have been discussed at that SHU 4 meeting? 5 MS. : Hmm-mm. 6 MR. : And did you know anything 7 about any emails -- 8 MS. : No. 9 MR. : -- regarding -? 10 MS. : And I didn't know the inmate 11 was The inmate -. I didn't know that he 12 went to court that day, or anything. I was not 13 even in town. 14 MR. : Right. I'm saying the 15 day before -- 16 MS. : Yeah. 17 MR. : -- on August 8th, there 18 was emails that were sent from the U.S. Marshal 19 Service, saying that his cellmate Reyes was 20 going to be transferred to another institution. 21 I was just wondering if that was at all 22 discussed -- 23 MS. : No. Not that I -- 24 MR. : -- that wasn't discussed. 25 MS. -- and I, likely, I don't EFTA00112009

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 103 1 know. Yeah. I was -. Huh. I don't remember 2 hearing that at all. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MS. : Because that would have been 5 6 MR. : Even after the fact? 7 MS. : -- that would been something 8 that, you know, the lightbulb kind of would 9 have went on. 10 MR. : Sure. 11 MS. : I was pretty shocked to find 12 out that he didn't have a cellmate. 13 MR. : Right. 14 MS. : After he killed himself. 15 That was the first question I asked. When I 16 was away, and I was went to Vancouver, and the 17 times difference was off, and my flight was 18 delayed. I had slept for, like, two hours. It 19 was very strange. I went into the restroom, 20 you know how you bring your phone? I know, 21 TMI. I pressed my phone, and all these alerts 22 came on, and everyone was texting me, and then, 23 I saw that he had hung himself, and I was just, 24 like, how could that happen? And the first 25 thing, when I called my associate warden, the EFTA00112010

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 104 1 first thing I asked is, did he have a cellmate? 2 Because that was the first thing that came in 3 my mind. And she was, like, no. 4 MR. : What -? So -- 5 MS. : So -. 6 MR. : -- who was this? 7 MS. : I called 8 MR. : And what did she say 9 about that? 10 MS. : You know, she just said no. 11 And then, I was just, like, I started, like, 12 crying, because I was, like, why? Like -. 13 MR. : And did she respond to 14 where his cellmate was? 15 MS. : She didn't. She was, like, I 16 don't know, Dr. . You know, this was all 17 just that morning. 18 MR. : Right. 19 MS. : I mean, she was probably, you 20 know, very upset, too. And that was it. I 21 mean, later on, I found out what happened, 22 which was that his cellmate went to court. He 23 was -- 24 MR. : And so -- 25 MS. : -- bonded out, and that they EFTA00112011

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 105 1 didn't replace the cellmate with him. 2 MR. : -- so, that is not 3 accurate information. So, who told you that he 4 went to court and bonded out? 5 MS. : That was later on. I don't 6 remember the person who told me that. 7 MR. : But someone told you he 8 actually went to court, and not transferred to 9 a different institution? 10 MS. : That's what I had heard. 11 MR. : Okay. 12 MS. : That he had gone to court, 13 and then he was -. That might not be accurate, 14 though. He was bailed out, or he wasn't, 15 didn't come back. 16 MR. : Okay. 17 MS. : That's what I had heard. 18 MR. : Sure. But you don't 19 remember where you heard that from? 20 MS. : Hmm-mm. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MR. : Well, just to clarify, I 23 think you mentioned it already. There was an 24 email that came up the day before, from the 25 Marshals, on August 8th, in the afternoon, that EFTA00112012

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 106 1 stated that he was being transferred - Reyes 2 was being transferred - to another facility. 3 He wasn't going to court. So, that morning, he 4 would, he wasn't going to court. He was 5 actually transferred out to another facility. 6 MS. : Okay. Okay. So -- 7 MR. : Now, if an email like that 8 came out, whose responsibility would it have 9 been to make those notifications up, hey, 10 listen, Reyes is now gone? 11 MS. : I mean, everybody reviews 12 that. I mean, the captain's review that log. 13 The warden. The executive staff. I mean, I 14 guess they would all see that. 15 MR. : Would psychology have the 16 court production list? 17 MS. : I don't always review the 18 court production list. No. 19 MR. : Yeah. No. You weren't 20 even there. 21 MS. : No. Yeah. 22 MR. : I'm just saying -- 23 MS. : No. 24 MR. : -- like, on, like, on the 25 9th, I guess there would have been a court EFTA00112013

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 107 1 production list that would have said Reyes, 2 WAB, With All Belongings. 3 MS. : Right. I mean, I don't have 4 access to that. Some of my staff have that 5 correctional services box. 6 MR. : Mm-hmm. 7 MS. : And they do review it, 8 sometimes. But I'm not so sure we reviewed it, 9 anybody in my department. 10 MR. : Yeah. And again, I know 11 you weren't even -- 12 MS. : Yeah. 13 MR. : -- there, but so, should 14 have someone reviewed that? 15 MS. : That's not something that we 16 did on a regular basis. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 MS. : You know, we - custodial wise 19 - we don't manage hands-on like that. 20 MR. : Mm-hmm. 21 MS. : As much. Like, we're not 22 looking all the time. I think now, since this 23 event happened, we might become more involved 24 with that. And review those things. Like, 25 when I get the Marshal's list, I was, I look to EFTA00112014

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 108 1 make sure they don't have any histories of 2 things, or there is a no Marshal's notices. 3 MR. : Mm-hmm. 4 MS. : More so than ever now, 5 because, you know, we are hyper alert. 6 MR. : Sure. 7 MS. : But as psychologists, that is 8 not something that is our job to review, and 9 then compare it to the SHU list, and make sure 10 everybody -- 11 MR. : Absolutely. 12 MS. -- is cell, you know, that is 13 not something we do. 14 MR. : So, when Reyes was listed 15 as WAB, and was removed from the institution on 16 the count numbers and everything 17 MS. : Mm-hmm. 18 MR. : -- should someone have 19 notified psychology? Now, this isn't Epstein. 20 MS. : Right. 21 MR. : This is his cellmate. 22 MS. : Right. 23 MR. : Reyes. 24 MS. : I don't know so much as 25 notified us, but at least made - or I would EFTA00112015

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 109 1 think - someone would make arrangements to say, 2 well, this guy is coming out, we've got to get 3 someone in with Epstein. There would be no 4 need to call psychology. Unless Epstein was 5 demonstrating any psychological issues, because 6 we were -- 7 MR. : Okay. 8 MS. : -- following him as needed, 9 and during our weekly rounds, anyway. So, if 10 he displayed, if he didn't display any mental 11 health problems, they probably wouldn't just 12 call us. 13 MR. : So, were there any 14 problems, as you see them, that no one notified 15 anyone in your department that Reyes was gone? 16 MS. : Well, the only problem is, if 17 they had planned on housing Epstein alone, and 18 not replacing Reyes, then we should have been 19 consulted, and spoken to about, do we think 20 that is a good idea? 21 MR. : Right. 22 MS. : So, that is 23 MR. : But -. 24 MS. : -- but that whole - not -- 25 MR. : But that was never EFTA00112016

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 110 1 changed -- 2 MS. not likely -- 3 MR. so, he was supposed to 4 be housed with another cellmate -- 5 MS. : Yes. 6 MR. : -- so, the fact that his 7 cellmate was gone, and he is supposed to be 8 housed with a cellmate, should have they -? 9 Should someone have contacted psychology to let 10 you know this cellmate is gone, we need to get 11 another cellmate in there? Is that something 12 that you should be a part of, or is that 13 something that was just custody? 14 MS. : That is mainly custody. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MS. : That is mainly custody. Now, 17 things are a little different. I mean, again, 18 things are put into place. That may not have 19 been in place before. Things we may not have 20 been as involved with. 21 MR. : Mm-hmm. 22 MS. : We have become more involved 23 with. Because of lessons learned. So, now, 24 when they house anybody alone, they let us 25 know, do you recommend this? Like I was EFTA00112017

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 telling you, there is a sheet. Do you 2 recommend this? And we always say no. 3 MR. : Mm-hmm. 4 MS. : I tell my staff, never 5 recommend a single cell. Like, if we think 6 someone is going to be single celled, we are 7 notified. Oh, this person is going to be -. 8 Dr. , come sign this, this form. But 9 before, we didn't do that. Okay, when Epstein 10 was there, we did not do that. 11 MR. : Okay. 12 MS. : If they had a plan to put him 13 by himself, we would have been notified. The 14 fact his cellmate was leaving, we wouldn't have 15 been notified, unless the intention was not to 16 replace him with somebody else. Because the 17 intention was always to keep him in the SHU 18 with a cellmate. 19 MR. : Now -- 20 MS. : I think custody's intention 21 were, too. 22 MR. : -- as far as people -- 23 MS. : It should have been. 24 MR. : -- that worked in the SHU 25 staff -- EFTA00112018

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. : Mm-hmm. 2 MR. : -- or, for instance, 3 anybody in custody, do you think there is ever 4 an excuse, especially in this specific instance 5 with Epstein, that for people to say, we didn't 6 know he was supposed to have a cellmate. Is 7 that - do you believe that that is an excuse? 8 Or a reason, I should say. Not an excuse. And 9 this is not, I'm not talking about psychology 10 now. 11 MS. : Right. 12 MR. : What I'm talking about is 13 custody or 14 MS. : No. I know what you are 15 saying. I mean, it comes from management and 16 it goes down. 17 MR. : Mm-hmm. 18 MS. : You see what I'm saying? So, 19 as far as I knew, the lieutenant up there, as 20 far as what he had shared with me, is that he 21 let the officerLs know. And that there was a 22 sign up there, from what I understand, on their 23 desk, that said he had to have a cellmate. 24 Okay? 25 MR. : Now, did you ever see a EFTA00112019

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 sign? 2 MS. : I did not see that sign, 3 because I don't go behind that desk. 4 MR. : Sure. 5 MS. : When I go. So 6 MR. : Because we knew that 7 there was a sign stating that they had to do 8 rounds on Epstein. It was a big orange sign. 9 But -- 10 MS. : Okay. 11 MR. : -- we have never come 12 across signs saying that he had to have a 13 cellmate. Aside from the very first day -- 14 MS. : Right. 15 MR. : I think -- 16 MS. : Right. 17 MR. : -- that he was actually 18 housed with Reyes. 19 MS. : Right. But I mean, that is 20 something that is monitored by the SHU 21 lieutenant, and the operations lieutenant. 22 They were aware because the captain was aware, 23 and sits in executive staff. 24 MR. : Sure. 25 MS. : And the captain is under the EFTA00112020

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 114 1 warden, and the warden would have wanted him to 2 have a cellmate. 3 MR. : Right. 4 MS. : A 100 percent. 5 MR. : Absolutely. 6 MS. : And supported our 7 recommendation for him to have a cellmate. So, 8 where the ball was dropped, I'm not 100 percent 9 sure. But I know executive staff were aware, 10 and I know that was a strong recommendation on 11 our part. Whether the officer's, whether it 12 went down the chain, that, I will not know 13 because I am not in custody. 14 MR. : Mm-hmm. 15 MS. : How -- 16 MR. : But didn't you say -- 17 MS. how they advised them, you 18 know, the morning of their shift, this is what 19 you need to do. I don't know. 20 MR. : Isn't it something, 21 though, that you guys discuss, or psychology 22 discusses during training, saying that, hey -- 23 MS. : Well, yeah. 24 MR. : -- inmates that are at 25 risk for suicide need to have, if they are EFTA00112021

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 115 1 coming off -- 2 MS. : Oh, absolutely. 3 MR. : -- suicide observation. 4 So, that is where I mean -- 5 MS. : That is where -- 6 MR. : -- by, like -- 7 MS. : -- like, the yearly training. 8 I mean, you would think, you know, with the 9 yearly training, with the annual training, with 10 the SHU, there is also a SHU training, a 11 quarterly training that I teach suicide 12 prevention. So, I teach suicide prevention 13 quarterly, to SHU staff. Where I have a slide 14 show that talks about the cellmate, and the 15 need for the cellmate. So -- 16 MR. : What about during their 17 annual refresher training? Is it also 18 discussed? 19 MS. : Yeah. Also. Yes. So -- 20 MR. : So -. 21 MS. : -- it's quarterly and annual. 22 MR. : And you say that same 23 thing during the annual training? 24 MS. : Yes. 25 MR. : Okay. So, not only are EFTA00112022

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 116 1 the SHU staff getting it in their quarterly 2 training, but every staff is getting it in the 3 annual training. 4 MS. : Yes. 5 MR. : Okay. 6 MS. : Everybody. 7 MR. : So, that is what I mean 8 by, is there ever an excuse, saying that we 9 didn't think he needed one? If they receive 10 this training, shouldn't have they known 11 MS. : Right. And also, I don't 12 know, I mean, he was a high-profile inmate. I 13 think everybody was aware of that. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MS. : So -- 16 MR. : So, do you -- 17 MS. if he didn't have a 18 cellmate, they would know, even if they thought 19 he wasn't supposed to, they would know that he, 20 they should be rounding every half an hour, and 21 checking on, particularly a high-profile 22 inmate. 23 MR. : Now, does -- 24 MS. : Mm-hmm. 25 MR. : -- every single staff EFTA00112023

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 117 1 member of MCC, regardless if custody or not, do 2 they take that annual refresher training? 3 MS. : Yes. 4 MR. : So, R&D -- 5 MS. : They are required. 6 MR. : -- you know -- 7 MS. : Yes. 8 MR. : Okay. 9 MS. : They are required. 10 MR. : Okay. Perfect. 11 MR. : Okay. "Dr. never 12 suggested a cell room with a camera for 13 Epstein, because she wanted him to have a 14 cellmate." 15 MS. : I don't make those decisions, 16 as far as who goes on Ten South. Ten South is 17 a high security unit where we house many of the 18 SAMs inmates. I don't know if you are familiar 19 with the SAMs, but they are in Special 20 Administrative Measures. On occasion, we have 21 had high profile inmates, but that is at the 22 discretion of the warden. Not psychology. 23 Whether he wants to house a high-profile inmate 24 up there. We had Bernard Mayta (Phonetic Sp. 25 *01:30:19) up there. We had El Chapo (Phonetic EFTA00112024

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 118 1 Sp. *01:30:20) up there. We had the Russian 2 arms dealer up there for a while. So, we have 3 had people there. But the warden - and I don't 4 know why, because I was not in those meetings - 5 decided that he was not going to place him in 6 Ten South. So, if you are not going to be in 7 Ten South, you are going to have a cellmate. 8 You know, as far as I am concerned. But I did 9 not -. I was not -. It was not up to me 10 whether he be placed on Ten South and a camera. 11 MR. : Was that ever -- 12 MS. : My recommendations were not 13 sought. 14 MR. : -- yeah. I was going to 15 say, was it ever 16 MS. : No. 17 MR. : -- even discussed with 18 you? 19 MS. : No. 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MS. : It was told. It wasn't 22 discussed. 23 MR. : What was told? I'm 24 sorry. 25 MS. : That he was not going on Ten EFTA00112025

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 119 1 South. 2 MR. : But that's what I mean. 3 Did Ten South even come up in discussion? 4 MS. : Just that he wasn't going to 5 be housed there. 6 MR. : Okay. 7 MS. : That the warden had decided. 8 I was informed by legal. And I said, oh -- 9 MR. : And when were you 10 informed that? 11 MS. : Earlier -- 12 MR. : Was that before? 13 MS. : -- earlier in his 14 incarceration. 15 MR. : Okay. So, while he was 16 alive? 17 MS. : Yes. 18 MR. : Okay. So, at the end -- 19 MS. : Yeah. Earlier in his 20 incarceration, I received a phone call that he 21 wasn't going to be housed in Ten South, that it 22 was decided, by the warden, that he wasn't 23 going to put him up there. So, when I was 24 being told that, knowing if he was going to be 25 on Nine South, then I would say certainly EFTA00112026

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 120 1 suggest a cellmate. But I would have had no 2 problem him being on a camera in Ten South. 3 MR. : Would you have a 4 preference? From Ten South or Nine South? 5 MS. : If I was asked, I would have 6 preferred, I would have said Ten South because 7 I had been there for so long, and had seen so 8 many high-profile inmates up there, and being 9 on a camera 24/7. 10 MR. : So, you said psychology 11 always recommends a cellmate, but in this 12 instance, you would actually recommend him 13 being housed alone with a camera on him? 14 MS. : I think having a cellmate is 15 a good thing, but when somebody is this high- 16 profile on other levels, in retrospect, it 17 would have probably been not a bad idea. 18 MR. : So, in retrospect, and 19 obviously, we can all Monday morning 20 MS. : Yes. 21 MR. : -- quarterback. 22 MS. : Yes. 23 MR. : And unfortunately -- 24 MS. : Yes. 25 MR. : -- that is what we are EFTA00112027

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 doing. 2 MS. : Yes. 3 MR. : But, like -- 4 MS. : Yes. 5 MR. : -- at the time, do you 6 believe that you would have thought that Ten 7 South would have been more appropriate over 8 Nine South? 9 MS. : I don't really want to say 10 because -- 11 MR. : Sure. 12 MS. : I don't make those 13 decisions. 14 MR. : No. 15 MS. : I mean -- 16 MR. : But you weren't 17 consulted? They -- 18 MS. : I wasn't consulted. 19 MR. : -- no one told you. 20 MS. : I was told. So, once that 21 happened, then of course, I was going to 22 suggest he have a cellmate. 23 MR. : Okay. But it was the 24 warden's call, as far as you know? 25 MS. : As far as I know. That's what EFTA00112028

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 122 1 I was told by legal. Which was the warden has 2 decided he will not be on Ten South. They are 3 going to house him on Nine South with 4 Tartaglione. 5 MR. : Okay. 6 MR. : Let me finish that -- 7 MR. : Yes. 8 MR. -- (Indiscernible *01:33:20). 9 That's the last paragraph. "Rooms with cameras 10 aren't always perfect due to the guard having 11 to maintain a constant eye on the camera 12 screen. She noted she has never gone to 13 attorney conference for any other patients or 14 inmates. She believes MCC psychological 15 services did all they could for Epstein. And 16 ultimately, the lack of a cellmate, and under 17 staffing contributed to his death. Three 18 suicide risk assessments were completed on 19 Epstein, which is unusual. One of those was 20 completed due to a judge's order." Is it 21 normal for a judge to request a psychological - 22 23 MS. : It is not uncommon, 24 especially when the judge knew he had been on 25 watch before. EFTA00112029

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 123 1 MR. : Mm-hmm. 2 MS. : So, I think, I don't think he 3 was ordered the first time, to be placed on 4 watch. I think it -. I don't remember which 5 time it was that the judge ordered it. But 6 judges will, if there is, if they have ever 7 been on suicide watch in the past, when they 8 leave a court proceeding. If it was the time 9 that he was denied the bail, I don't know which 10 was the time that the judge ordered it. 11 MR. : So, your -. 12 MR. : Would your notes say when 13 it was? 14 MS. : Possibly. Possibly. 15 MR. : Possibly. 16 MS. : Yeah. 17 MR. : So, you don't think it 18 was the first time, though? 19 MS. : I thought the first time I 20 did it precautionary. I don't know if it had 21 the judge's order. 22 MR. : Now, when you say there 23 are three risk - suicide risk assessments were 24 included, completed on Epstein. 25 MS. : Yes. EFTA00112030

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 124 1 MR. : Or Epstein. When he 2 first came on, when he, on July 23rd, what was 3 the third? 4 MS. : I think that is when he came 5 back and was denied the bail. 6 MR. : And do you think that was 7 probably the one that the judge -? Because 8 obviously, you do it when they come on, right? 9 And then, you do it if they try to attempt 10 suicide. 11 MS. : Or maybe the judge -. I 12 don't know if it was the first time. Maybe it 13 was the first time. Because I think the second 14 time was Dr. Which I really 15 complimented her on. I think she did it out of 16 precaution, because of what happened in court. 17 MR. : Okay. And that was -- 18 MS. : I think she did it on her own 19 instinct. Not because she was told to. 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MR. : Wait. I have an event that 22 took place on August -- 23 MS. : Okay. 24 MR. : -- August 1st. It looks like 25 the correctional systems received a form from EFTA00112031

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 125 1 the U.S. Marshal Service, the previous day 2 stating that Epstein had reported suicidal 3 tendencies. I guess he went to court. And he 4 reported suicidal tendencies. So, the Marshal 5 Service reported that to correctional systems, 6 and correctional systems notified that to 7 psychological observations. Psychs. 8 MS. : That was August 1st. 9 MR. : Do you believe that might be 10 the third time? 11 MR. : That would have been, 12 like, the day after he came off of -- 13 MR. : Yeah. 14 MR. : -- psych observation. 15 MS. : Right. And they always put 16 suicidal tendencies on every single one of 17 them. So, I am thinking, because he was just 18 coming off watch, he might have said, I was on 19 watch. 20 MR. : All right. So, that is - 21 22 MS. : But I don't -. 23 MR. : -- you think the Marshals 24 do this frequently? 25 MS. : Yes. EFTA00112032

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 126 1 MR. : This isn't -- 2 MS. : They all say -- 3 MR. : -- that wasn't 4 MS. suicidal tendencies. 5 MR. : Okay. 6 MS. : And there, it's, they all say 7 the same thing. 8 MR. : All right. So, that 9 wasn't abnormal that they wrote that on August 10 1st? 11 MS. : Not if he had recently been 12 taken off of watch, and they were aware of 13 that. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : But you don't know what 17 the third instance was, with -? Because we 18 have, again -- 19 MS. : One was when he first came 20 into jail. 21 MR. : -- right. 22 MS. : Remember, we did, we had him 23 on -- 24 MR. : Yup. 25 MS. and he was mad. The EFTA00112033

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 127 1 second time, I believe was when, maybe when the 2 Marshals -. I don't know. I don't know. 3 MR. : So, we know the two. 4 MS. : Yeah. 5 MR. : I'm just trying to 6 MS. : The third one -- 7 MR. to figure -. 8 MS. -- was when he had, when he 9 actually had the -- 10 MR. : Yeah, yeah, no 11 MS. : -- Marshals -- 12 MR. : I know. They are my 13 two that I know. Is when he first came on, 14 July 23rd. 15 MS. : And I think the other one was 16 when he came back from court. 17 MR. : On the August 1st? 18 MS. : Yeah. I think so. I have to 19 look. It might be. I have to look at my 20 notes. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MS. : But those were the three 23 times. 24 MR. : Yeah. No. Because in 25 your report, it kind of - because obviously, it EFTA00112034

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 128 1 was probably taking so long - it kind of jumps 2 really quickly from July 30th to basically the 3 end. 4 MS. : Okay. 5 MR. : So, that was just -. So, 6 I was wondering -- 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. : Okay. MR. if we were missing something there, and that sounds like maybe that is what we were missing. MS. : Okay. If you wanted me to look at my notes, I could do that. MR. : This. Do you know? Because I think -- MR. : I'll just -- MR. that will help you. MR. -: real quickly cover this with you. I think we already did. This was the 302 with Who is that? MS. : She is the forensic psychologist that removed him from watch the first time, and stepped him down to psych ops. MR. Okay. So, in part of her 302, we're just going to cover this quickly. EFTA00112035

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 129 1 MS. : Mm-hmm. 2 MR. : Just because we're 3 running out of time. It says, " 4 stated psychological observation allowed 5 Epstein to possess hygiene products, two 6 novels, to attend his legal visits, and to 7 shower." And as we already stated, he was 8 authorized legal visits while he was on 9 observation. 10 MS. : Okay. All right. 11 MR. : Yeah. 12 MS. : So, she did those 13 authorizations. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MS. : After she took him off. 16 MR. : Okay. So, and then, it 17 says, and that part says, " stated she 18 discussed the decision to step down Epstein 19 with Dr. and associate warden 20 ." Now, when she says, " stated 21 she discussed the decision to step down Epstein 22 with Dr. and associate warden 23 ," do you know which step down she is 24 talking about? Is she talking about watch toed 25 observation? That's what -- EFTA00112036

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 130 1 MS. : Yes. 2 MR. : -- okay. Rather than 3 observation to SHU? 4 MS. : Correct. 5 MR. : Okay. And with associate 6 warden , is that a normal thing 7 that she would discuss that decision? She 8 would discuss that with an associate warden? 9 Is that normal? 10 MS. : Yes. I mean, maybe 11 gave her a call. Maybe she gave 12 a call, just because he was who he was. 13 We don't do it with every single inmate. We 14 send out a notification to, like, all executive 15 staff. And every day, on who is on watch, he 16 was removed from watch. An average inmate, 17 maybe they wouldn't have had a discussion. 18 MR. : Mm-hmm. 19 MS. : Maybe it was because it was 20 Epstein. 21 MR. : And this is where 22 MS. : Yeah. 23 MR. : -- it goes into the -. 24 Do you have any knowledge that around this 25 time, executive staff, or anybody at the EFTA00112037

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 institution, was contacted by either the 2 attorneys or the judge, saying he needs to be 3 taken off of suicide watch, and put to 4 psychological observation, so the attorney 5 visits may -? 6 MS. : We never got a call like 7 that. 8 MR. : No? Okay. 9 MS. : Yeah. 10 MR. : And you don't know that 11 mentioned that to you guys? 12 MS. : No. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MS. : Not that I know of. 15 MR. : Okay. It says, 16 stated both and 17 concurred with her determination regarding 18 Epstein. stated, `I made the 19 decision with the consent of and 20 ' Is that correct? 21 MS. : Right. I mean, she came and 22 discussed it with me. And gave me all of the 23 reasons she felt he was written to be stepped 24 down. 25 MR. : Great. EFTA00112038

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 132 1 MR. : I have a few follow up 2 questions. 3 MR. : So, this is the very end. 4 MR. : This is the very end. 5 MR. : Sorry. 6 MS. : It's okay. 7 MR. : That's okay. 8 MR. : It's taking longer than 9 we expected. 10 MS. : It's okay. 11 MR. : When inmate Reyes was chosen 12 to be Epstein's cellmate after he was brought 13 back to the SHU, do you know who was involved 14 in that decision-making? 15 MS. : Executive staff, most likely. 16 Or correctional staff. Probably the captain. 17 The captain and the AW over programs. 18 MR. : And do you think that 19 everyone, in terms of captain, the lieutenants, 20 and even the SHU staff would have known who 21 Reyes was, that he was Epstein's cellmate? 22 MS. : I mean, I would hope that was 23 discussed. But again, I don't know if it was 24 discussed with them. But the captain should 25 have passed it onto the lieutenants, and the EFTA00112039

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 133 1 lieutenants should have passed it to the staff. 2 MR. : And based on the 3 recommendation, as you mentioned, from your 4 office and also through the chain of command, 5 they should - everyone should have known that 6 Epstein needed a cellmate? 7 MS. : Yes. 8 MR. : And if everyone knew Epstein 9 needed a cellmate, they should have technically 10 also known that his cellmate was Reyes? 11 MS. : I would think so. 12 MR. : Okay. 13 MS. : I would hope so. 14 MR. : And when they came up the, 15 came up with the name, with the list of names 16 to place as a cellmate for Epstein, did they 17 have other names also chosen? Or just Reyes? 18 MS. Hmm. That, I don't know. 19 MR. : Okay. You are not aware? 20 MS. : Because I didn't make those 21 decisions. 22 MR. : Do you know if there -- 23 MS. : At the time. 24 MR. : -- was a plan, if he was 25 to leave, someone else would go into his place? EFTA00112040

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 134 1 MS. : I don't know that. 2 MR. : Okay. That was a custody 3 4 MS. : Yes. 5 MR. : -- decision? 6 MS. : Determination. 7 MR. : Okay. 8 MR. : Do know if he was prescribed 9 any medications? Epstein was prescribed any 10 medications? 11 MS. : I would, again, have to see 12 his chart. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MS. : I don't -- 15 MR. : Not that -. 16 MS. : I don't remember. I don' - 17 think so. 18 MR. : Okay. 19 MS. : I mean, from psychiatry. 20 MR. : I want to show -- 21 MS. : I don't remember. 22 MR. -: -- we will jump into 23 that. 24 MR. : Yeah. 25 MR. : Just in a couple of EFTA00112041

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 135 1 minutes. 2 MR. : I just had a quick question. 3 You mentioned that he told you the first time 4 that he had a bail hearing. 5 MS. : Mm-hmm. 6 MR. : Do you recall him mentioning, 7 in your last meeting with him on August 8th, 8 that he was scheduled for another bail hearing? 9 MS. : I don't recall. 10 MR. : He didn't mention that? 11 Okay. 12 MS. : I don't recall. He may have. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MS. : He may have. I know he was 15 trying to get several hearings, so it is very 16 possible he did. 17 MR. : So, what we have here is an 18 after-action review. It was conducted by the 19 Bureau of Prisons. 20 MS. : Yes. 21 MR. : And I'm going through some of 22 the noted -. 23 MR. : Have you seen this? 24 MS. : Hmm-mm. 25 MR. : No. Okay. EFTA00112042

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 136 1 MR. : Basically, do you know what 2 an after-action review is? 3 MS. : Yes. I do. 4 MR. : Okay. So, this was done by 5 the team that was sent down to do on running 6 Mr. Epstein's death. And maybe the -- 7 MR. : Immediately after their 8 death. 9 MR. : -- immediately after. 10 MS. : Okay. 11 MR. : There is a note. "On July 12 9th, 2019, at 12:35, health services completes 13 a history and physical for inmate Epstein. 14 This assessment was done in lieu of an intake 15 screening, which should have been conducted 16 within 24 hours of arrival." It looks like he 17 arrived on July 6th, but the intake screening 18 wasn't done for him. 19 MS. : That's medical. 20 MR. : That's medical. Okay. 21 MS. : We did it the next day. We 22 do them within 24 hours. 23 MR. : Okay. "On July 18th, 30-day 24 psychology reviews are conducted for the entire 25 SHU population. Inmate Epstein was not in the EFTA00112043

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 137 1 SHU at the time due to an attorney visit. The 2 review was never conducted." 3 MS. : He was probably seen in 4 attorney conference, but it wasn't conducted if 5 he wasn't in the SHU at the time. 6 MR. : Should they have followed - 7 psychology - have followed up? 8 MS. : I would have to see my 9 records. 10 MR. : Okay. 11 MS. : To see if there was a reason, 12 or if we put in a note, subsequently. 13 MR. : Understood. And you said, 14 the notification by the U.S. Marshal Service on 15 August 1st, you said that would be routine, if 16 he came off of suicide watch or psychological 17 observation, went to court, and they saw tha-, 18 they would normally make a routine 19 notification? 20 MS. : They often do. Yes. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MS. : Unless they are not privy to 23 it. You know? But if they are, they would, to 24 cover everything. 25 MR. : But you don't know -- EFTA00112044

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 138 1 MS. : Yeah. 2 MR. : -- anything specifically 3 he was doing on August 1st, that would have 4 caused them to make a note? 5 MS. : No. 6 MR. : Okay. 7 MR. : Now, I don't have these 8 documents in here, to show you, but it was 9 flagged that, "The psychology intake screening 10 contains errors in identifying details. Inmate 11 Epstein is referred to as a black inmate, and a 12 different inmate's name is used within the 13 report." 14 MS. : Yes. One of the 15 psychologists made an error. Perhaps. It was 16 a template-ish error. I don't know. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 MS. : To be honest, it was probably 19 a template error. She was probably writing it 20 quickly, and when she proofread it, she didn't 21 catch it. 22 MR. : Okay. "There -- 23 MS. : Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : -- there are errors within 25 the risk of sexual abusiveness report, such as EFTA00112045

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 139 1 referencing an inaccurate program statement, 2 and noting a history of prior prison sexual 3 predation." 4 MS. : Okay. Again -- 5 MR. : (Indiscernible *01:44:50)? 6 MS. : -- again, that is a 7 checklist. It was probably a typo on the 8 checklist. 9 MR. : Mm-hmm. 10 MS. : By the psychologist. It was 11 a seasoned psychologist. I don't read every 12 single note that goes into the record. The 13 only time I read every single note is when 14 somebody is a probationary psychologist, and 15 unlicensed. 16 MR. : And who was -- 17 MS. : Then I will -- 18 MR. : -- the psychologist? 19 MS. : -- the psychologist at the 20 time was Dr. 21 MR. -: . Okay. 22 MS. : And I just think they were 23 typos. Looking back and having a conversation 24 with her, they were typos, but she is a 25 seasoned psychologist, a forensic psychologist, EFTA00112046

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 140 1 and I couldn't possibly read every note that 2 goes in the record. Or else I would never 3 sleep. But I read, you know, like I said, if 4 they are unlicensed, on probationary, then I 5 read all of the notes that go into the record. 6 MR. : So, it is not that 7 didn't do the intake properly. 8 It was just, it was a format that she probably 9 used. 10 MS. : Yes. 11 MR. : Okay. Now -- 12 MS. : Definitely. 13 MR. : -- there is another incident, 14 "July 16th, 12:48 p.m., inmate Epstein is seen 15 by psychology in the presence of his attorneys, 16 while conducting a legal visit. This visit 17 recommended no follow up. This visit was at 18 the request of inmate Epstein, that was wholll. 19 inappropriate. Inmate Epstein attempted to 20 establish guidelines for communication, and 21 bring his attorneys into the fray regarding 22 mental health treatment be provided by the 23 institution. 24 It is not typical for the Bureau of 25 Prisons to provide psychological intervention EFTA00112047

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 141 1 in the presence of others, nor is it 2 appropriate for an agency psychologist to meet 3 with the inmate attorneys." The summary they 4 put on there is, "On July 16th, 2019, a 5 psychologist met with inmate Epstein in the 6 presence of his attorneys. This visit was done 7 at the request of inmate Epstein, that appears 8 to have been the purpose of airing grievances 9 with conditions of confinement. 10 This is a highly abnormal event. It is 11 not typical for the Bureau of Prisons to 12 provide psychological intervention in the 13 presence of others, and agency psychologists 14 should not - should neither provide mental 15 health intervention in the presence of others, 16 nor engage legal representation regarding 17 institution operations or conditions of 18 confinement. 19 Although the specifics of what information 20 the psychologists are unknown, any items shared 21 could be viewed as an unauthorized release of 22 information, both regarding inmate Epstein's 23 mental health treatment, and institution 24 operational information." 25 MS. : Okay. EFTA00112048

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 142 1 MR. : Can you elaborate -? 2 MR. : What is your response to 3 that, I guess? 4 MS. : I wasn't aware -- 5 MR. : Do you agree with it, or 6 -? 7 MS. -- if one of my 8 psychologists, or I went up one time, and I 9 think another one of my psychologists went up, 10 it was probably just to see that he was okay, 11 and that he didn't need anything from 12 psychology. So, the intention was to check on 13 him. It wasn't to breach any security, or it 14 wasn't to meet his demands, or anything like 15 that. It was probably because he did spend 16 eight hours up there, and it was more well 17 meaning that we just probably just wanted to 18 see if he had any needs from our department, at 19 that time. Or on that one occasion, he was up 20 there when that psychologist was conducting her 21 rounds in the suicide watch area, and he wasn't 22 there. And she went up there to check on his 23 mental status, to see if he was okay. 24 MR. : Right. 25 MS. : So -. EFTA00112049

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 143 1 MR. : And who would have that 2 one been? 3 MS. : I think it was Dr. that 4 went up there on one occasion. And I think I 5 went up there on one occasion. That's when he 6 made that comment to me. 7 MR. : Mm-hmm. 8 MS. : But -. 9 MR. : Now, so, what is your -- 10 MS. : I did not share 11 MR. : -- do you agree 12 MS. : -- anything with his 13 attorneys. He stepped out of the room. Like, 14 the attorneys were sitting at the table. And 15 then, there is the door, and he walked up 16 towards the door. And I just said, you know, 17 think when I went up there, you know, are you 18 okay? Have you been eating and sleeping okay? 19 I didn't discuss any intimate details of his 20 childhood, or anything like that. It was kind 21 of just, like, are you okay? 22 Do you have any thoughts of harming 23 yourself? Have you been eating and sleeping, 24 or do you have any concerns like that. And you 25 could see my notes, it would probably indicate EFTA00112050

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 144 1 what I did ask him. It was well meaning. 2 certainly didn't engage. I don't know. I 3 doubt Dr. did, because she is very rigid. 4 And any discourse with his attorney about 5 anything. I think his attorneys may have made 6 a comment to me, but I think I ignored it. 7 MR. : Okay. 8 MS. : But yeah. 9 MR. : So, you -. 10 MS. : If that is what they are 11 referring to, you would have to re, you know, 12 show me the contacts, and the context. The 13 contacts, the actual site contacts that they 14 are referring to. 15 MR. : Yeah, they don't 16 MS. : Well. 17 MR. : Yeah. 18 MR. : -- they don't list it on 19 there. 20 MR. : I mean, so - 21 MS. : I mean, those are the only -- 22 MR. : -- two -- 23 MS. : -- two times that we went up 24 there, and that was more well meaning, to check 25 on his mental status. EFTA00112051

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 145 1 MR. : Sure. 2 MS. : It was certainly -. 3 MR. : And not a discussion 4 MR. : So, do you -- 5 MR. : -- with the attorneys. 6 Sorry. 7 MR. : But as -- 8 MS. : No. 9 MR. : -- this is the BOP's 10 findings. This isn't on ours. We are just 11 saying -- 12 MS. : Yeah. 13 MR. do you agree with that 14 finding, or do you think that that is 15 inaccurate, the way that they have that? They 16 are saying that you should not have done that? 17 MS. : I would say it is 50/50. i 18 mean, now, in retrospect, if it could be 19 perceived that way, it is probably not the best 20 situation. However, circumstantially, this guy 21 was in the conference room from dawn until 22 dusk. And we felt a need to check on him, to 23 see if he was okay. So -- 24 MR. : What -. 25 MS. : I would say we just EFTA00112052

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 146 1 probably weren't aware that it wasn't a good 2 thing to do. 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MS. : We meant it to be -- 5 MR. : Okay. So, and -- 6 MS. a good thing. 7 MR. : -- and this prior to his 8 first suicide attempt, it looks like, on, it 9 says July 16th. 10 MR. : Yeah. 11 MR. : Okay. 12 MS. : So, that was probably just to 13 check on him due to our concerns. 14 MR. : Sure. 15 MS. : In reading that, I probably 16 would not do that ever again. Because it is 17 perceived that way. But we weren't aware that 18 that wouldn't - that that was an unusual 19 circumstance. 20 MR. : Sure. 21 MS. : It doesn't spring upon us 22 frequently. We don't have inmates that have 23 that kind of money to sit in there for nine 24 hours a day. 25 MR. : Okay. EFTA00112053

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 147 1 MR. : Yeah. 2 MS. : You know? So, that has never 3 happened before. 4 MR. : So, what, in retrospect, 5 I guess, what should have happened? Should 6 have you asked him to be excused, and seen him 7 a private room? 8 MS. : I guess we could have done 9 that, but that would have interfered with his, 10 and he is paying his attorneys. It is just, I 11 would have to probably consult on that further. 12 MR. : Has anyone -- 13 MS. : Because -. 14 MR. : -- spoken with you about 15 this? 16 MS. : No. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 MR. : You just mentioned something. 19 You said it is highly unusual that somebody is 20 sitting in attorney conference for that long. 21 Is that not allowed for him? Was that not 22 allowed for any other inmates? Was he the only 23 inmate who was, that was allowed to? 24 MS. : I think he was the only 25 inmate that had that kind of money. EFTA00112054

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. : Yeah. It's -. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 MS. : To pay an attorney for nine 4 hours. 5 MR. : Okay. 6 MS. : To sit in a conference room. 7 You know, usually, they last about an hour. 8 So, I had never seen that before in all my 9 years in the prisons. But it is not like you 10 can't do it. I guess if you have the money, 11 and the resources to have different attorneys 12 come, to cover your whole day -- 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MS. : -- then -. 15 MR. : I just have one more topic, 16 and then it is done. 17 MS. : Okay. 18 MR. : So, were you aware that Mr. 19 Epstein was allowed to make an unmonitored 20 phone call on the evening of August 9th? 21 MS. : No. 22 MR. : So, on August 9th, it looks 23 like he, his pack and PIN was provided to him, 24 but it was never set up. So, he requested a 25 phone call, and it looks like the unit manager EFTA00112055

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 149 1 took him to the SHU, brought back from attorney 2 conference, and placed him in the shower. 3 MS. : Mm-hmm. 4 MR. : Mm-hmm. 5 MR. : Plugged it into the legal 6 line. 7 MS. : Mm-hmm. 8 MR. : And he said he wanted to talk 9 to his mother. So, the unit manager dialed out 10 the number. A guy answered the phone. He 11 handed the phone, the phone over to Mr. 12 Epstein. 13 MS. : Mm-hmm. 14 MR. : And he left. So, Mr. Epstein 15 was allowed to make the phone call. It was not 16 monitored. And what do you think? Do you 17 think that should have ever been allowed? 18 MS. : That is never allowed. That 19 is not allowed. 20 MR. : Do you think that played any 21 part into what happened that night, being the 22 fact that he was allowed to make a phone call, 23 unmonitored, a phone call? Remember, he 24 mentioned that it was to his mother. 25 MS. : Right. EFTA00112056

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 150 1 MR. : But we learned that his 2 mother has been deceased for a while. 3 MR. : This isn't really for her 4 to answer. 5 MS. : That, I don't know. 6 MR. : So, as far as, this is 7 something that we skipped over in your 8 interview report, though. It says, "On August 9 8th, 2019, Dr. attended the SHU meeting. 10 She couldn't recall all who was there. But 11 noted," - so, this talks about that meeting, 12 and it said that, "Epstein had received his 13 pack number, which allows him to make phone 14 calls, and he asked for his books from 15 psychological observation." So, are you aware 16 that he actually did receive his pack number? 17 Pack and PIN number, so he could actually make 18 calls? 19 MS. : I probably was privy to it, 20 if it was mentioned in the SHU meeting. But 21 that wouldn't have any psychological meaning, 22 other than he could make the calls, and they 23 would bring the phone to his cell, which is 24 what they usually do, and he can make the phone 25 calls. EFTA00112057

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 151 1 MR. : So, you don't recall if 2 he was actually provided a pack and PIN number 3 or not? 4 MS. : I don't recall. 5 MR. : Okay. 6 MS. : Because I don't set that up 7 or anything. It could have been mentioned in 8 the SHU meeting. But that doesn't directly 9 impact mental health services. 10 MR. : Okay. 11 MS. : So. 12 MR. : So, and you don't know if 13 it was actually - not only was he given a pack 14 and PIN number - but you don't know if it was 15 actually set up or not? 16 MS. : That, I don't know. 17 MR. : Okay. Go ahead. 18 MS. : And I don't know if it played 19 a role. 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MS. : You know, I don't know. 22 MR. : That is the last two. 23 MR. : Yeah. Go ahead. 24 MR. : Okay. So, do you think Mr. 25 Epstein took his own life? EFTA00112058

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 152 1 MS. : Yes. I mean, it would be 2 highly unlikely that he didn't. I can say that 3 psychologists, the difficult thing is that we 4 are psychologists. We are not psychic. But 5 the events leading up to it, too, that period 6 of time, he appeared psychologically stable. 7 But the information that he received, according 8 to what I heard the night before, and all of 9 that information being unsealed, and him being 10 alone with his thoughts, and thinking that 11 maybe, perhaps he would have to spend the rest 12 of his life in jail, and that all of these 13 high-profile individuals information was going 14 to come out about them. 15 Could he have, at that moment, just felt 16 completely hopeless, and thought of ending his 17 life? Yes. That is very possible. You know, 18 that is very possible. Prior to me leaving, he 19 wasn't given any of this information, and he 20 had a lot of hope, he had a lot of resources. 21 Perhaps he thought, you know, maybe he could 22 cooperate, or get some kind of a deal. I don't 23 know what happened at that meeting. But having 24 been in the prison system as long as I have 25 been, and being a psychologist, sometimes when EFTA00112059

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 153 1 people get really bad news, and they feel very 2 hopeless, and the opportunity is there. 3 They will take that opportunity. So, yes. 4 It would be highly improbable, you know, the 5 way our prison is set up, that someone could 6 have snuck up there and harmed him, in some 7 way. The way that the tiers are and 8 everything. So, I think the higher probability 9 is that he did kill himself. 10 MR. : That leads to my second 11 question. The last question. 12 MS. : Yeah. 13 MR. : Do you have any reason to 14 believe that Epstein did not take his own life? 15 MS. : I have no reason to believe 16 he didn't. 17 MR. : Do you have any other follow 18 up questions? 19 MR. : No. Is there anything 20 that we missed, that we should know? 21 MS. : Not that I can think of. 22 Just that, you know, we -. No. Not really. 23 No. 24 MR. : Okay. Great. We can't 25 thank you enough. EFTA00112060

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 154 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. : Yeah. MR. : So, again, it took longer than we expected, but you were extremely helpful. MS. : Thank you. MR. is the case agent, so if you have any questions or anything -- MS. : Okay. MR. : -- you can (Indioccrnible *01:57:25)qo directly with MS. : Thank you. MR. : Thank you for taking your time. MS. : If there is anything else I can do, or anything I can clarify, with regard to the case, or if you want me to review some notes, if anything wasn't clear, because like I said, I probably, to be more specific, if I had those notes, I would know when the Marshals came in, because it is kind of a blur to me. It has been a few years. It was probably the most traumatic event in my entire career. MR. : Oh, wow. Yeah. MS. : You know? MR. : Sorry to hear that. EFTA00112061

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 155 1 MS. : So, yeah. 2 MR. : Okay. Well, thank you so 3 much for that. 4 MS. : Thank you. 5 MR. : If anything comes up, or you 6 have anything that you want to share, please, 7 reach out. 8 MS. : Yes. Thank you. 9 MR. : Okay. It is currently 10 11:18 a.m. on Wednesday, October 27th, 2021. 11 This is Senior Special Agent 12 I am turning off the recorder. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00112062

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LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 157 1 CERTIFICATE 2 I hereby certify that the foregoing pages 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of: Interview of Brianna Rose Burton, Transcriber EFTA00112064