201 1 2 didn't. 3 ■ : -- but you actually : -- didn't. Yeah. 4 : So, does that sound 5 right? 6 : That sounds right. Yes. 7 : Okay. And you don't know 8 Did you know - and I can't recall, at this 9 point - what would have caused it? You said it 10 was of old age? Because it says, "Per 11 the situation could have been caused 12 by a power outage, or improper shut down of the 13 DVR." 14 : I have no reason to shut 15 it down, and it had an UPS on it. So. 16 : So, you don't think 17 either it would have been a power outage, or 18 improper shut down? 19 : I think the way 20 everything, the old system was wired up, it 21 probably wasn't wired up correctly. I would 22 have to say that he is probably right about 23 there being a power issue. 24 : There would be a what? 25 : A power issue. EFTA00063336

202 1 : So, even though you're 2 saying that there was some kind of serge 3 protector type of thing on there -? 4 : There is a UPS on it. But 5 I don't think everything was maintained the way 6 it should have been maintained. 7 : So, you think it was 8 likely caused by a power, some kind of power 9 outage? 10 : If it was a power outage, 11 that would explain what the problem is. 12 : But you don't know 13 anything about it, there a power outage? 14 : No. I didn't know 15 anything about power outages. 16 : And you don't Do you 17 remember ever shutting down the DVR system, 18 prior, when you were working on it? 19 : Hmm. No. Can you find 20 out if there was a generator test on the 20 -. 21 When was -? You said the 29th of July, right? 22 : Well, it looks like the 23 reason why you found this out is he went into 24 the application, Supervision. 25 : Yeah. I know. Okay. I'm EFTA00063337

203 1 going to read that now. And July 29th, that 2 would have been -. Because we do do our 3 generator test monthly, but I don't know if it 4 was the 29th of July. 5 : Mm-hmm. I'll add that as 6 the fifth request, find, provide any 7 information with regard to the system failure 8 issue. 9 : That's - no, the time 10 : (Indiscernible 11 *02:00:23). 12 : -- do they know what time, 13 or they just have the thing? 14 : No. It just says July 15 29th. 16 : Yeah. 17 : All right. And do you 18 know when - the system failure - do you know 19 when you found out about that, and how? 20 : Hmm. As far as what now? 21 : The system failure was 22 the July 29th issue, not August 9th, or 8th, 23 9th, or 10th. 24 : Oh. Not until you guys 25 told me there was a system failure. The only EFTA00063338

204 1 2 3 4 thing I knew about was the, oh, that was the -- : This is the thing you said you worked on. : -- oh. The AMS. I had to 5 restart the AMS. Yeah. That was -- 6 : So, you did restart it? 7 : -- yeah. 8 : So, you did shut it down? 9 : Yeah. I shut it down and 10 restarted it. That simple. 11 : So, when it says that it 12 could have been caused by an improper 13 : Shut down. 14 : -- shut down. 15 : Yes. 16 17 too? : Could have that been it, 18 : No. Once you restart it, 19 it's, like, it's a pretty small thing, like, 20 21 restarting the AMS doesn't mess anything up, really. 22 23 you did restart it? : Okay. All right. But 24 : Yeah. After the shutdown. 25 : So, technically, it is a EFTA00063339

205 1 possibility, then, because it says you -- 2 : No. 3 : -- no? 4 : No. 5 : You don't think that -- 6 : Hey, once you do the AMS, 7 that's just the communication thing, like, if - 8 . And not everything is talking, that's when 9 everything would start working. 10 : Okay. And you said you 11 never would access Supervision. 12 : Mm-hmm. 13 : We talked about all of 14 this. So, it says, this is the issues, "The 15 motherboard failed on DVR-2. Per 16 , in the case of a motherboard failure, 17 this would cause the operating system, such as 18 Windows, to shut down or fail. When this 19 happens, it would stop recording to the hard 20 drive, because the recorder software requires 21 Windows Operating System to be operational, to 22 record data to the hard drives." 23 : Mm-hmm. 24 : "Also, when the 25 motherboard fails, the network connectivity is EFTA00063340

2O6 1 lost because the network card is dependent on 2 the motherboard to be functioning. And Windows 3 to be running, for the network card driver to 4 be operational. If and when the motherboard 5 failed, this would have caused the network card 6 to shut off, thus triggering the above message 7 of a system failure, of DVR-2. Because it can 8 no longer communicate with the DVR." Does this 9 sound accurate? 10 : Yes. 11 : All right. Do you know 12 what caused the motherboard failure? 13 : No. 14 : Do you remember, do you 15 know what affect it had? 16 : I just remember I did the 17 electronics thing, I just did a smell test, and 18 I knew something on the motherboard burned up. 19 You could smell that. Because I, when I took 20 the motherboard out, you could tell it was a 21 problem. Something on the motherboard burned 22 up. Or failure power. Or something. But it 23 was the motherboard. Because I do remember 24 doing that. 25 : All right. And do you EFTA00063341

207 1 know if this would have been caused by a power 2 outage or an improper shut down, or anything? 3 : Hmm. No. 4 : No. 5 : Huh-uh. 6 : Now, this is just 7 something I'm thinking out loud. Being that 8 you told us that you fixed this issue on the 9 29th, but you also pulled the drives on the 10 10th, is what it would have deleted at that 11 point, back to the 29th, when you had last 12 worked on the system? 13 : Hmm. 14 : Do you follow what I'm 15 asking? 16 : I -. 17 18 everything? 19 20 I don't know. 21 : Or it just deleted : I -. I don't -. I mean, : Because you said that, 22 you pulled the two bad drives, it's going to 23 wipe 24 : The system. 25 : -- you're not going to be EFTA00063342

208 1 2 3 able to get -- : : (Indiscernible *02:03:41). -- recordings. 4 : Yes. 5 : So, I guess what I'm 6 asking is 7 : But there was -- 8 : -- wouldn't that wipe it 9 back to the last time you worked on it? 10 : -- no. It would have 11 wiped out everything before that. Not the last 12 -- 13 : So -- 14 : -- time I would have 15 worked on it. 16 : -- it would have just 17 wiped it all out? 18 : Yeah. 19 : All right. 20 : So, there was video after 21 I left. I fixed it. Because there was video. 22 : All right. 23 : It looked like it was 24 recording, but it wasn't recording. 25 : All right. So, if it EFTA00063343

209 1 wipes everything, how -- 2 : How does it -? 3 : -- how would the FBI be 4 able to obtain knowledge that there was no 5 recordings, prior to -? Because in the more 6 detailed report, doesn't it say that 7 there is no recordings prior to July 29th? 8 : Bear with me. I'm just 9 pulling up the report. 10 : Yeah, but the point 11 being, you're not sure? 12 : As far as -? 13 : As far as the recordings 14 not working, between July 29th, 2019, and 15 August 8th, 2019. 16 : No. 17 : You know that they 18 weren't recording on August 8th. 19 : Yeah, because I had to 20 : But you didn't 21 : -- check it, yeah. 22 : -- know anything prior -- 23 : About it. 24 : to that. 25 : Yeah. EFTA00063344

210 1 2 is news to you? 3 : And the July 29th issue : Yes. 4 : Okay. Well, we'll look 5 into that. 6 : It doesn't state clearly 7 if they -. Was anything was retrieved, but 8 prior to 29th, that's something we have to 9 clarify with the FBI. 10 : Okay. All right. Now, 11 regarding the hard drive failure. It says, 12 "Per if there was a message that 13 stated this is in the Supervision application 14 of the video management system, this would 15 indicate that the failed motherboard had been 16 either recovered, repaired, or replaced, and 17 now functioning because this would allow 18 Windows Operating System to run, allowing the 19 recording to be in operation, and communication 20 to the application management server restored. 21 If there is one hard drive failure, the 22 system is recoverable by replacing the drive 23 and letting it rebuild. If there were two 24 drives simultaneously failed, then the recorded 25 video data is lost, and unrecoverable due to EFTA00063345

211 1 the raid array needing a new configuration as 2 new drives are added." Does this sound 3 accurate? 4 : Yes. 5 : Does this sound like what 6 happened? 7 : That's -. Yes. 8 : Okay. Is 9 really the person to explain this versus you? 10 He's the expert on this, correct? 11 and . Yes. 12 : They are the two. So -. 13 : And then, if you don't, 14 knows the engineer, the engineer of 15 Those are the guys that would know. 16 17 18 else. 19 : So -- would know somebody : -- more so than you? You 20 get your information from them. Correct? 21 : Yes. 22 : Okay. So, when they 23 provide us with this information, we can rely 24 on it to be accurate? 25 : Yes. That is accurate. EFTA00063346

212 1 2 3 4 Yes. : Okay. And what, do you know what caused the hard drive failure? : No. I just think it's 5 wear and tear because everything is so old. 6 : Okay. But that occurred 7 on August 10th. So, it sounded like the hard 8 drive failure occurred because the two drives - 9 10 : Yes. 11 : -- were pulled? 12 Oh. I don't know. 13 : Okay. But it says, "Per 14 this could have been caused by 15 normal wear and tear -- 16 : Tear. 17 : -- and age of the hard 18 drives." 19 : Uh-huh. Yes. 20 : Is that accurate? 21 : Yes. 22 : And you believe that's 23 what happened? 24 : Yes. 25 : And do you know what EFTA00063347

213 1 affect the hard drive failure had? 2 : I just know there would be 3 no video, or, you know, the drives would be 4 bad. You can't take anything off the drives. 5 : Okay. And again, you are 6 the one who replaced the two drives. The FBI 7 just came and took everything. 8 : They took everything. 9 Yes. 10 : Okay. All right. We 11 covered everything else earlier in the 12 interview. Is there anything else, or 13 , that we want to cover? 14 : I've got a couple of 15 follow up questions. 16 : Please. 17 , the two hard 18 drives that you pulled on August 10th, to 19 replace it, where those two the two drives you 20 had previously replaced, or are those the 21 different ones? 22 : Those are new drives. 23 : New drives meaning that it 24 wasn't previously replaced by you? 25 : Mm-hmm. EFTA00063348

214 1 : I'm sorry. I didn't hear 2 you. 3 4 : I'm sorry? : I don't know if you said 5 yes or no. That's why. I couldn't hear you. 6 : Oh, the two new drives 7 were from the computer services. The drives 8 that I had replaced. 9 : No, no, no. The question 10 was, do you know the two drives that you said 11 went bad, that you had to replace, right? 12 : Yes. 13 : Were those two drives 14 previously replaced by you? 15 : I have no idea. There is 16 no way of me knowing what was replaced, or 17 there was no system -- 18 : Okay. 19 : -- in place to see if I 20 wrote down a list, like, one through 16, I 21 replaced on this date, and one through 16, 22 replaced on this other date. There's -. I 23 can't tell you what was fixed, or when, how it 24 was fixed. There was no maintenance log of 25 what was changed, or repaired. EFTA00063349

215 1 : Okay. And we were told by 2 that, previously, when you 3 had to stay and work in the camera room 4 : Yes. 5 : -- there were situations 6 where you had to do work in the camera room, 7 and if she or had to leave, she would 8 leave the keys with the captain, and you could 9 continue doing the work 10 : Yes. 11 : -- in the captain's room. 12 : That is correct. Yes. 13 : How come, on August 8th, 14 you couldn't do that? 15 : There was no captain. 16 : There was no captain on 17 August 8th? 18 : No. There was an acting 19 captain. I don't think there was a captain. 20 There was nobody -- 21 • 22 : -- yeah, there was no -. 23 But he wasn't there. 24 : So, we know, on August 25 9th, he was there until at least 7:00 p.m. EFTA00063350

216 1 : 7:00. Oh. Oh, he's 2 probably not -. He was probably not in his 3 office, then. Because the office is right next 4 to the room. 5 : Yeah. "On August 8th, 6 SIS went right next to him, 7 in his office, and provided him the memo 8 regarding the issue." On August 9th is when 9 you said that you couldn't gain access to the 10 room, but we do, in fact, know that Darden was 11 there until at least 7:00 p.m. 12 : The thing about this memo 13 part, that I don't get it, is that there could 14 have been memos from before, like, that 15 decision make any sense to me. Because this is 16 not the only time the recorder failed. So, to 17 have a memo this one time, when Epstein 18 happens, like, that just doesn't make sense to 19 me. 20 : Okay. So -- 21 : Is it -- 22 : -- and the fact that -- 23 : -- sorry. 24 : -- there is this memo 25 : Yeah. EFTA00063351

217 1 2 suggests? 3 : -- what do you think that : Somebody is trying to say 4 they did their job where they didn't do their 5 job. 6 : So, you think that the 7 memo was, in fact, created on the 10th, instead 8 of the 8th? 9 : I don't know when it was 10 created. I'm just saying, people are trying to 11 cover their tracks. To say they were notified, 12 and they told this person, and that person. 13 When I got there, and I was trying to explain 14 to everybody how important most of the systems 15 were, everybody just looked at me like I'm 16 spinning two heads. Like, I'm not telling you 17 I'm, like, I came from a compound. There 18 was a medium. There is a high. There is a 19 low. There is a death row. If something 20 doesn't work, it's a jail, you have to stay. 21 Now, after Epstein happens, everybody wants to 22 do their job. So, that's the long and short of 23 it. 24 : Okay. 25 : I'm not trying to say that EFTA00063352

218 1 anybody did anything. But I'm just saying, 2 like, now everybody wants to write memos, and 3 have statements, when all this stuff was 4 happening before, is there records of you 5 calling and saying there was a problem? I have 6 records of me saying there was a problem, and 7 I'm trying to fix the problem. And I stayed 8 and fixed the problem. But these other people 9 that are saying stuff, man. 10 11 12 me. 13 : Yeah. So, in any -- : That doesn't make sense to : -- any of those records, 14 you can give us, again, that's going to be 15 greatly appreciated. I'm going to follow up 16 with an email, asking what we talked about, but 17 anything else that you think will be helpful, 18 to help us? 19 : Yeah. I just, I'm sorry 20 you guys have to go through this, because I, I 21 mean, I'm still going through it. 22 : Right, right, right. 23 : But I'm pretty sure you 24 guys want to get it over with yourself. So. 25 : Anything else, EFTA00063353

219 1 2 3 4 : : No. That's it. : No. Nothing from me. 5 : Okay. We're going to end 6 this, then. 7 : Yeah. 8 : Anything you want to add? 9 : No. Just send me the 10 emails, and I will try to get you some 11 information. 12 : Okay. 13 : Yeah. Thank you, guys. I 14 know this is not easy for you guys 15 : No. 16 : -- to go over the same 17 thing. 18 : And we appreciate your 19 cooperation. Thank you. 20 : Yeah. 21 : It is -. 22 : Oh, and the job failure. 23 Was that on my part? Like, not doing my job, 24 or not notifying anybody, or what -? 25 : Well, when we're talking EFTA00063354

220 1 2 3 4 to people, we're telling everybody the same thing. : Thing, yeah. : It's not our decision, 5 really, to make, you know 6 : Mm-hmm. 7 : -- to say 8 : What -- 9 : -- we're going to 10 basically 11 : -- (Indiscernible 12 *02:11:18). 13 : -- provide the 14 information 15 : Information. 16 • -- to the BOP. 17 : Yeah. 18 : They determine 19 : Determine -- 20 : -- you know, the actions 21 -- 22 : -- oh, he should have said 23 this. Yeah. 24 : -- you know, and all that 25 kind of stuff -- EFTA00063355

221 1 : But look -- 2 : I mean, we will have our, 3 you know -- 4 : -- the thing about this 5 whole thing, I'm just going to add my part, 6 because I came from another institution. If 7 there is a problem, and, like, especially the 8 cameras, somebody should be notified. Okay. 9 I'm the guy that fixes it. Okay. what 10 are you doing? Have you fixed it? Now, after 11 Epstein happens, and we've had recorder issues 12 now, and that was what I sent the email, okay, 13 I fixed this, I did this, I did that. But 14 before that, it was not happening. 15 : Right. 16 : That's the only part I 17 want to add. That's Now, everybody covers 18 their tracks. But before this, sad to say this 19 had to cause the whole Bureau to wake up. But 20 -. 21 : Right. 22 : Yeah. 23 : All right. So, if that's 24 it? 25 : That's it. EFTA00063356

222 1 : All right. 2 : That's my last piece. 3 : It is currently 10:27 4 a.m. on September 29th, 2021. This is Senior 5 Special Agent , and I'm 6 turning off the recorder. Thank you. 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00063357

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