LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 301 1 these days. If we review that, are we going to 2 - it's going to show you conducting the counts? 3 MS. NOEL: Yeah. I don't have to conduct 4 the count because if I'm working with two more 5 people, they could have did the count. So it 6 doesn't necessarily have to be you're going to 7 see me on the video, but you will see the 8 counts being done. If you get what I'm saying. 9 MR. : No I understand what 10 you're saying. 11 MS. NOEL: If three of us are working, 12 those two could have did it. It doesn't have 13 to be me. 14 MR. : So when you were in the 15 SHU, did -. If you didn't do it, did the two 16 other people always do it? 17 MS. NOEL: Yes. 18 MR. : Alright. Were you ever 19 on count slips - your assigned count slips 20 that you personally didn't conduct? 21 MS. NOEL: The - no. 22 MR. : So you never signed 23 MS. NOEL: But they're -. If I ever 24 signed the count slips but that the night 25 before the round sheet, I did. EFTA00118059

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 302 1 MR. : I'm sorry, what was that? 2 MS. NOEL: The rounds sheets I did. The 3 count slips no. 4 MR. : The rounds sheets you did 5 what? 6 MS. NOEL: On the 9th, when I filled out 7 the entire count slips, I didn't conduct every 8 single round. 9 MR. : You didn't conduct every 10 single round. 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : So what about on previous 13 incidents? We can switch over to rounds, 14 that's fine. In previous instances when you 15 worked in the SHU, were the rounds conducted as 16 displayed on the count sheets? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : But the counts you're 19 saying they were always conducted when you 20 worked in the SHU? 21 MS. NOEL: Yes. 22 MR. : So this was just a rare 23 instance. 24 MS. NOEL: It wasn't a rare. It was 25 because he was exhausted. And he was tired and EFTA00118060

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 303 1 he didn't want to count. So we didn't count. 2 MR. : But then you also say 3 at 10:00 p.m. also was exhausted? 4 MS. NOEL: Yes. 5 MR. : So -- 6 MS. NOEL: And -. 7 MR. : -- that's -- 8 MS. NOEL: And -. 9 MR. : -- not a -. 10 MS. NOEL: And -. Yes and I know because 11 I did it and I wasn't supposed to do it. 12 That's why I didn't continue to do it. Because 13 I'm really not supposed to count - to go down 14 range by myself. So I didn't continue to do 15 it. 16 MR. : You didn't continue to do 17 what? 18 MS. NOEL: The count by myself. 19 MR. : Alright. But you did the 20 entire count at 10:00 p.m.? 21 MS. NOEL: Yes. 22 MR. : Were there other 23 instances that you worked in the SHU where 24 other people were too tired to conduct their 25 rounds? EFTA00118061

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. NOEL: No because I usually 2 MR. : Or the counts - not 3 rounds. Counts. 4 MS. NOEL: Because I usually come in on 5 the shift prior. I don't work that so I don't 6 know what goes one. Because that's the tired 7 time. 8 MR. : Right. 9 MS. NOEL: So I usually come in before so 10 I don't have to deal with that. 11 MR. : Alright. But it was just 12 13 MS. NOEL: It was just that one day. 14 MR. : It's the one day. No 15 conversations were had. You try to wake him 16 up. He didn't wake up. So you just didn't do 17 them. And then you didn't even have to say 18 like hey man, we need to do these things. Or 19 like there was just an unspoken thing that he 20 was tired. So you weren't just going to do 21 them? 22 MS. NOEL: Say that again. 23 MR. : I'm just trying to like 24 it sounds like it would be common practice to 25 do this if there's no conversations that were EFTA00118062

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 305 1 had. Usually, it would be like hey if this is 2 the first time I'm not going to do something. 3 I would say like, hey is it cool that we're not 4 going to do this? Or some kind of a 5 conversation. Unless it was something that you 6 had learned or experienced in the past. That 7 like we don't do counts at this time. 8 MS. NOEL: But I never worked the SHU at 9 that time. 10 MR. FOY: This is calling for you to 11 explain your interaction with Thomas. 12 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 13 MR. FOY: As it relates to the count in 14 particular. Right? 15 MR. : Correct. 16 MR. FOY: He asleep. What's the 17 interaction? What did you say? What did he 18 say? Did you ask one time? Did you ask 19 multiple times? Did he affirmatively say no? 20 Or did he just continue to sleep? That's the 21 level of detail they're asking for. 22 MR. : Yeah. We're asking you 23 to explain all of your interactions with Thomas 24 with regard to these counts. 25 MS. NOEL: Well when it was time to count, EFTA00118063

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 306 1 because remember I'm going upstairs to count. 2 So I wake him up to count. And he was like I'm 3 tired. He was like we have the count slip. 4 I'm tired. He went back to sleep. When the 5 lieutenant came, I woke him up because the 6 lieutenant was coming. He fell back to sleep 7 in front of the lieutenant. She said hey, you 8 need to stay awake. He couldn't' stay awake. 9 I went upstairs and I counted again. 10 MR. FOY: Go back to the lieutenant. 11 Explain that in more detail. There's details 12 you're leaving out of the interaction between 13 Thomas and the lieutenant with respect to him 14 sleeping. 15 MS. NOEL: Oh. I woke him up. The 16 lieutenant came. She came, she found the round 17 sheet. He fell back asleep in front of her. 18 She said, hey you need to wake up. She had 19 papers and she hit him. She says, hey you need 20 to wake up. 21 MR. FOY: That's what I'm talking about. 22 MS. NOEL: She hit him with a stack of 23 papers. So saying that to say like everybody 24 knows like because we're understaffed and 25 overworked. So let's say if I was to tell on EFTA00118064

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 Thomas, that's who I would have told it to. 2 She was there. And she saw it. 3 MR. : So she knew. So you 4 didn't as far as like if you were going to 5 report someone sleeping on duty, she's -. You 6 didn't' need to report it because she saw it 7 with her own eyes. 8 MS. NOEL: Exactly. 9 MR. : And he was literally 10 fell asleep in front of her? 11 MS. NOEL: In front of her. Yes. 12 MR. : How long was she there? 13 MS. NOEL: Maybe like five, then minutes. 14 MR. : And that little brief 15 interaction he actually went to sleep in front 16 of her? 17 MS. NOEL: Yes. 18 MR. : Okay. So no discussions 19 with Thomas. Just when you would wake him up 20 he just said he was tired. 21 MS. NOEL: Yes. 22 MR. : Did you try to wake him 23 up for each count? 24 MS. NOEL: I tried to wake him up for the 25 12:00 and the 3:00. I don't remember if I 307 EFTA00118065

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 308 1 tried to wake him up for the 5:00. Because by 2 that time he went upstairs. I remember he went 3 upstairs to relive . And I don't remember 4 what happened between there as far as waking 5 him up. 6 MR. : Alright. And as far as 7 the inaccuracy of the one count, specifically 8 now we're talking about the 12:00 a.m. that it 9 was actually - it's off. He got a call but he 10 didn't talk to you about what was said on the 11 other line? 12 MS. NOEL: No. He just said we got to 13 change the count slip. And he wrote it. And 14 he changed it. And I signed. 15 MR. : Alright. 16 MS. NOEL: But he didn't say like oh the 17 lieutenant this happened or that happened. No. 18 MR. : Alright. And have you 19 ever experienced previous instances where the 20 count was off from when it was called in? Like 21 if you give the number and they say no that's 22 not right? 23 MS. NOEL: Yes. 24 MR. : And what happened in 25 those instances? EFTA00118066

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 309 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. NOEL: You recount. MR. : You actually did recount? MS. NOEL: On - not in the SHU. In other units. MR. : In other units though. But do you know that that's what is supposed to be done? You need to do - if you call in a wrong number, you're supposed to do a recount? MS. NOEL: Right. But I don't think that was the case with that. Like they called in and gave -. Okay. That was a case where like if I counted wrong, and then they'll say no it's wrong. And then I recount and I get the right number. But in the number because of knew where the inmate this case, they gave him whatever I guess they was or was supposed to be or wasn't moved. That's what I'm saying. I don't know what happened between the 73 an the 72. But when he changed the number, he said the lieutenant said so I just signed it. MR. : But he didn't tell you the lieutenant said do a new count? MS. NOEL: No. MR. : He never informed you of EFTA00118067

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 310 1 that? 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. : Okay. So you didn't 4 really get into detail about what he said. 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : Okay. But you do believe 7 at 12:00 a.m. a new slip was created. Just not 8 that one. That's not attached to that. The 9 one that actually says 72. 10 MS. NOEL: (Indiscernible *03:42:12) Is 11 that a 12? At 12 here it says 73. 12 MR. : Correct. But that was 13 actually - the top page says 72 and I thought 14 that's the one that you said they made you 15 recreate a count slip. 16 MS. NOEL: Right. 17 MR. : And that's not -. Y 18 don't see that 19 MS. NOEL: That count slip. 20 MR. : -- new count slip on 21 there. Correct? Alright. And I know you 22 Did they have the conversation with Thomas 23 because at 12:00 a.m. he called that count 24 number in and they said he was wrong? Is that 25 when he had that conversation with the EFTA00118068

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 lieutenant? 2 MS. NOEL: No the phone rang. 3 MR. : Alright. So who called 4 the count in at 12:00 a.m.? 5 MS. NOEL: Me. 6 MR. : And did you call - also 7 call the 3:00 a.m. and the 5:00 a.m. in? 8 MS. NOEL: Yes. 9 MR. : Alright. And obviously 10 you called it in without actually conducting 11 the counts. Correct? 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : Alright. Now it sounds 14 like your attorney has - and you have had this 15 conversation but what was the reason you didn't 16 conduct the counts? 17 MS. NOEL: I didn't conduct the count in 18 my area because he was tired and we're supposed 19 to do them together. So I just didn't do them. 20 MR. : Okay. So would have you 21 done them if he was awake? 22 MS. NOEL: Yeah. Because I did them 23 upstairs. 24 MR. : Okay. And you're saying 25 that you never worked that night shift before, EFTA00118069

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 312 1 but all the other counts you had conducted that 2 you've documented from previous. 3 MS. NOEL: Yes. 4 MR. : Documented. You're 5 saying you may have worked with three other 6 people and two of them may have done the 7 counts, but there are - when you've been 8 present in the SHU, all the counts have been 9 conducted. 10 MS. NOEL: Yes. 11 MR. : Okay. And do you know of 12 any other COs or employees that have falsified 13 count slips? 14 MS. NOEL: Count? No. 15 MR. : No. SO you don't know 16 any other. I know you said you prepopulated 17 them in a sense. But like as far as -- 18 MS. NOEL: As far as other units. 19 MR. : -- not conducting the 20 counts and actually writing a number when a 21 count -. Do you know? 22 MS. NOEL: Oh. No. 23 MR. : So all counts that have 24 been submitted to this point when you're in the 25 SHU - someone conducted them. EFTA00118070

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 313 1 MS. NOEL: Yes. 2 MR. : And you said you've never 3 actually had a conversation with anyone about 4 counts and how they're documented. You just 5 observed as well like on the round sheets? 6 MS. NOEL: As far as having a 7 conversation? 8 MR. : Did anyone ever train you 9 on how to write count slips? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : No. 12 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 13 MR. : So you just from watching 14 other people fill them out - that's how you 15 learned? 16 MS. NOEL: Yeah because it's just your 17 name and the number of the count. 18 MR. : Sure. 19 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : Okay. You want to take a 21 break now? 22 MR. FOY: Mm-hmm. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MR. FOY: We've got to eat. 25 MR. : It is 2:21 p.m. This is EFTA00118071

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 314 1 Senior Special Agent and I am 2 pausing the recording. [Whereupon, the above- 3 entitled matter went off the record and went 4 back on the record.] Okay. The recorder is 5 back on. It is 2:28 p.m. Again Ms. Noel you 6 are under oath and this is a voluntary 7 interview. Thank you for your cooperation. 8 Alright. So if you don't mind, just all the 9 documents I have in front of you, can you just 10 initial and date those just again so that we 11 MR. FOY: Yeah. Just on the first page. 12 MR. : -- know what it is that 13 you were looking at during this interview. 14 Thank you very much for initialing and dating 15 all of those. 16 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 17 MR. : Alright. We're just 18 going to talk briefly about the SHU layout. 19 These are papers that have the SHU layout. Now 20 are the - just for your reference if you need 21 to look at them. Are the COs assigned to the 22 SHU located together on one social - one 23 centralized location? Sorry, so the officers 24 that are working in the SHU. Are you all 25 together? You mentioned there's a desk in the EFTA00118072

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 shape of an L. 2 MS. NOEL: Yes. 3 MR. : Is everybody together at 4 that location when you're not doing rounds and 5 counts? 6 MS. NOEL: I mean no not really. Somebody 7 could go upstairs to the bathroom. 8 MR. : Okay. During your shift 9 on the 10th. 10 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 11 MR. : Is that where you and 12 aside from when you said you helped out. 13 Is that were the two - you and Thomas were 14 located at that -- 15 MS. NOEL: Yes. 16 MR. : -- one central area? 17 There's not another officer station though, 18 correct? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : There's just one 21 officer's station? 22 MS. NOEL: There's one. 23 MR. : Okay. And approximately 24 how many computers are there at that station? 25 MS. NOEL: About three. EFTA00118073

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 316 1 MR. : Three? And you said no 2 one had like an assigned computer like the -- 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : OIC doesn't have one 5 computer? 6 MS. NOEL: You -. 7 MR. : Everyone just uses one 8 computer? 9 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 10 MR. : What can you see from 11 that desk in the SHU? Can you just mark on 12 there where is the actual L desk setup located? 13 So it's the two floors - the two layers. I 14 don't know if you're able to look at the L Tier 15 where Epstein was. That might give you like a 16 what's the first and what's the second. Is it 17 correct that he was on the second level? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes. 19 MR. : And was he in L Tier? So 20 that might help you out to be able to 21 differentiate between - you see where the cells 22 start with like a letter and then the numbers? 23 MS. NOEL: Yes. 24 MR. : So that will probably 25 help you to be able to decipher what's the EFTA00118074

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 first level and what's the second level. 2 MS. : Do you know what you're 3 looking at? 4 MR. : So each of the cells have a 5 letter in front of it. 6 MR. : That's to identify the 7 tier. That will be the letter. And then the 8 numbers will be the cell numbers. 9 MS. NOEL: Uh-huh. Okay. 10 MR. : So by - can you figure 11 out by looking at that? So if the one that 12 begins with L that would be the second level. 13 Do you follow that? 14 MS. NOEL: Yes. 15 MR. : And then there's the 16 first level. Is there actually almost like 17 third level where the officers sit? It is like 18 two different - the way it's tiered. 19 MS. NOEL: No. It's on the main level. 20 MR. : Okay. So where the first 21 set of inmates are. 22 MS. NOEL: See it's stairs. You've got to 23 go down and you've got to go up. 24 MR. : Right. Okay. 25 MS. NOEL: So it's not where we're EFTA00118075

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 318 1 sitting. You've got to go down and you've got 2 to go up to get to the cell. 3 MR. : Okay. So on that looking 4 at like the first level of inmates, can you 5 just kind of identify where it is that that L 6 shape setup is? 7 MS. NOEL: Over here. 8 MR. : Can you just mark it? 9 Maybe like an X or a circle or something. 10 Okay. Thank you. And from where you're 11 sitting can you see all the cell doors from 12 there? 13 MS. NOEL: Not all. 14 MR. : Not all. 15 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 16 MR. : Could you see the door to 17 Epstein's cell from there? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes. 19 MR. : Alright. Can you mark on 20 there where you recall Epstein to have been? 21 Alright. Thank you. And does that have a cell 22 number on it? 23 MR. : I think those numbers 24 correspond with this. 25 MR. : That's fine. EFTA00118076

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 319 1 MS. NOEL: Um. 2 MR. FOY: Because I'm thinking is it? 3 Because you have to be able to see in here. 4 MS. : This is your unit entrance. 5 This is where you enter. This is L Tier. 6 Right. The - you walk in. L, M, J, K. So if 7 this is J, this is you walking into your 8 housing unit. 9 MS. NOEL: (Indiscernible *03:51:16) by 10 turning left. 11 MS. : Yes. So. 12 MR. : And maybe put X and a 13 circle just so I know what it is that you just 14 changed. 15 MR. FOY: Put a circle around that X and 16 that will be the desk. 17 MR. : Perfect. 18 MR. FOY: Alright? 19 MR. : Alright. And then you 20 is it correct where you identify where -? 21 MS. NOEL: Epstein 22 MR. : Epstein. What number was 23 that? 24 MS. NOEL: 988. 25 MR. : You believe that he was EFTA00118077

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 320 1 in - was that L988? 2 MS. NOEL: I don't remember the number 3 that he was in. I just know when you go up the 4 stairs, it's the first one on the right. 5 MR. : Let me just so that we're 6 not. I just want to make sure that we're not 7 . Huh. Okay. So they don't actually 8 correspond with the numbers. 9 MS. NOEL: No (Indiscernible *03:52:08). 10 MR. : We have that. 11 MR. : Do you remember what room he 12 was in? 13 MS. NOEL: On L Tier? 14 MR. : Yeah. L Tier. 15 MS. NOEL: The first cell on the right. 16 MR. : The room number by any 17 chance? 18 MS. NOEL: Oh I don't know the room 19 number. 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MR. : Um. Okay. But you could 22 see his actual door from where you were 23 sitting? 24 MS. NOEL: Yes. 25 MR. : Yes. Okay. And could EFTA00118078

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 321 1 you see inside his cell from where you were 2 sitting? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : No. Approximately again 5 we're talking about like that's where the 6 shower was - what you were talking about. 7 Approximately how far was Epstein's cell from 8 where you were seated? 9 MS. NOEL: Mm. To like where that chair 10 is. 11 MR. : Ten to 15 feet? 12 MS. NOEL: Probably. 13 MR. : Okay. Alright. So the 14 reason why I'm asking that. Did you or anyone 15 else ever go in or out of Epstein's cell on 16 August 10, 2019? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : And would have you known 19 if someone did? 20 MS. NOEL: Yes. 21 MR. : Okay. While you were 22 physically present in the SHU of course. 23 MS. NOEL: Yes. 24 MR. : And you said the only 25 times you weren't present in the SHU on August EFTA00118079

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 322 1 -. Or let's talk from you said 10:00 p.m. is 2 the last time - around 10:00 p.m. is the last 3 time you saw him. 4 MS. NOEL: Yes. 5 MR. : From 10:00 p.m. until 6 approximately 6:33 a.m., what times did you 7 when did you leave the SHU? I know one time 8 you said you helped with the counts up in 10 9 South. And you may have said you were gone in 10 the bathroom around. 11 MS. NOEL: (Indiscernible *03:53:38) 12 MR. : When would have those 13 times have occurred? 14 MS. NOEL: Um 3:00 or right after 3:00, 15 5:00 or around after 5:00, going to the 16 bathroom I don't remember the times. 17 MR. : Okay. So around 3:00 18 a.m., around 5:00 a.m., and then one other time 19 to use the restroom? 20 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 21 MR. : And where is the restroom 22 located in the SHU? 23 MS. NOEL: Upstairs where I go to count. 24 MR. : Okay. But Thomas was 25 present any time you were not there? EFTA00118080

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 323 1 MS. NOEL: Yes. 2 MR. : Although he may have been 3 sleeping. 4 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 5 MR. : Okay. And are you - of 6 the people that we've talked about, you said 7 that the lieutenant visited the SHU 8 approximately 4:00 a.m. That was Lieutenant 9 10 MS. NOEL: Yes. 11 MR. : Who else from 10:00 p.m. 12 until 6:33 a.m. were in the SHU? 13 MS. NOEL: (Indiscernible 14 MR. : Well so -. 15 MS. NOEL: Um 16 MR. -: left at around 17 10:00. 18 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 19 MR. left around 20 12:00 a.m. Anyone else? 21 MS. NOEL: No. 22 MR. : What about when 23 came thought the SHU? So I just want to make 24 sure you're -. I know we've kind of discussed 25 some of this stuff. EFTA00118081

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 324 1 MS. NOEL: Oh you're talking about the 2 people that's working there? 3 MR. : Everybody that's been in 4 the SHU. So there's you, there's Thomas. Who 5 else was actually in the SHU from 10:00 p.m. - 6 the last time you saw Epstein - up until about 7 6:30 when he was discovered? 8 MS. NOEL: , Lieutenant 9 and 10 MR. : And 11 MS. NOEL: He left at 10:00. 12 MR. : At 10:00. So at 10:00 he 13 left. They're the only other people there? 14 MS. NOEL: That's it. 15 MR. : Okay. No one else? 16 MS. NOEL: No one else. 17 MR. : And you're confident 18 positive about that? 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. 20 MR. : Alright. And did any of 21 those individuals that visited the SHU go near 22 Epstein's cell? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : So no one even went near 25 it? EFTA00118082

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 325 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : Let alone go in it. 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : No one went in it? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : Okay. That's all we need 7 to talk about with the SHU. Do you mind just 8 initialing and dating that? And are you aware 9 -? I guess the one other thing I'll ask. I 10 know I asked when you were there. But when you 11 were gone to do the counts in 10 South as well 12 as use the restroom, are you aware of anyone 13 visiting the SHU during those times? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : No? Okay. 16 MR. : I have a follow-up question. 17 MR. : Go ahead. 18 MR. : When you left to go assist, 19 did you take the keys with you? 20 MS. NOEL: Yes. 21 MR. : So could Mr. Thomas have let 22 anyone in and out? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : Oh so he wouldn't have 25 even had the ability to let anyone in based EFTA00118083

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 326 1 upon you having the keys the whole time? 2 MS. NOEL: Yes. 3 MR. : And did you have the keys 4 because you were SHU officer number one? 5 MS. NOEL: I guess. I mean I just had 6 them. 7 MR. : Okay. There wasn't a 8 discussion -- 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : -- like I'm SHU one, I 11 get the keys? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : Do you know that SHU one 14 is supposed to be the one who has the keys? Do 15 you know that (Indiscernible *03:56:05)? 16 MS. NOEL: I think so. 17 MR. : Okay. Do you know if you 18 have any conversations with Thomas about if you 19 had the keys or he had the keys? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : Okay. Anyone that 22 entered or exited the SHU that day, are you the 23 one that let them in or out? 24 MS. NOEL: Yes. 25 MR. : Thomas didn't let anybody EFTA00118084

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 32 1 in or out? 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. : Okay. Are you aware of 4 any cameras were not recording within the SHU 5 on August 9th or 10th 2019? 6 MS. NOEL: No. 7 MR. : You're not aware? Are 8 you aware at this point? Not just at the time. 9 But are you aware now if any cameras were or 10 were not recording? 11 MS. NOEL: I mean I'm aware now. 12 MR. : That's what I mean. What 13 is your - what are you aware of now? 14 MS. NOEL: Oh I don't know like what 15 specifically. I just heard that some of the 16 cameras were not working. As far as which ones 17 18 MR. : But you don't know which 19 ones? 20 MS. NOEL: -- or no. 21 MR. : Okay. And at the time 22 you didn't know? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : So you don't know if they 25 weren't working when they stopped working? EFTA00118085

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 328 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : Are there any like - do 3 you have the ability to monitor cameras from 4 the SHU? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : So if you're sitting in 7 there, there's not like camera down range that 8 you can like - you can see what's going on in 9 each range? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : No? Do you know if 12 someone is live monitoring either - anywhere in 13 the SHU during operations? 14 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 15 MR. : You don't know if you're 16 being monitored or the inmates are being 17 monitored? 18 MS. NOEL: I don't know. I know there is 19 cameras on the tiers. 20 MR. : Right. Do you know if 21 anybody's live monitoring them? 22 MS. NOEL: Oh. I don't know. 23 MR. : You don't? And do you 24 know if there's any cameras pointed at you in 25 the desk area? EFTA00118086

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 329 1 MS. NOEL: Oh, I don't know. 2 MR. : And you don't know if 3 anybody is monitoring those either? 4 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 5 MR. : (Indiscernible *03:57:54) 6 MR. : I think it will be fine. 7 So you are not - we can just skip the rest of 8 those questions. You're not aware of any 9 cameras at the time not working? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : So no one reported that 12 to you and you didn't report it to anyone else? 13 MS. NOEL: No. I didn't know anything 14 about cameras. 15 MR. : Alright. And we talked a 16 little bit about sleeping on duty. So it 17 sounds like was Thomas asleep pretty much the 18 entire shift then? 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. 20 MR. : From pretty much 12:00 21 a.m. until he -. 22 MS. NOEL: Until he went upstairs. 23 MR. : Until he went upstairs? 24 Went upstairs to do what? To feed? 25 MS. NOEL: To relieve EFTA00118087

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 330 1 MR. : To relieve 2 Alright. I might be getting confused. I 3 thought you were relieved 4 MR. : She went up there to do the 5 count. Then reached out to her to ask 6 her to relieve him. She called the lieutenant. 7 Verified with the lieutenant and then Mr. 8 Thomas went up to relive him. 9 MR. : Okay. And around what 10 time was that? 11 MS. NOEL: After 5:00. 12 MR. : Okay. So basically from 13 12:00 to about 5:00 he was sleeping? 14 MS. NOEL: I mean in intervals. Like I 15 tapped him. He kind of woke up. 16 MR. : Right. 17 MS. NOEL: But he went back to sleep. 18 MR. : Okay. But he wasn't 19 doing his duties. He was sleeping. 20 MS. NOEL: Correct. 21 MR. : Did you sleep during the 22 shift? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : You didn't sleep at all? 25 MS. NOEL: No. EFTA00118088

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 331 1 MR. : For the period that you 2 were sitting at the desk for like two hours 3 without moving were you awake? 4 MS. NOEL: Yeah on my computer. 5 MR. : You were on the computer? 6 Were you and Thomas seated next to one another? 7 MS. NOEL: No. We were seated next to 8 each other but not facing each other. Like he 9 was faced that way. I was faced the other way. 10 MR. : Okay. Close proximity to 11 one another? 12 MS. NOEL: Yeah. Like he's there and I'm 13 here. 14 MR. : So about three or four 15 feet from each other? 16 MS. NOEL: Yeah. But the back is turned 17 because he's that way and I was that way. 18 MR. : Okay. But you were not 19 sleeping? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : Now are you guys 22 authorized to sleep in the SHU? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : No? And have you ever 25 fallen asleep previously while on duty at the EFTA00118089

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MCC? 2 MS. NOEL: Not in the SHU. 3 MR. : Not in the SHU but other 4 places? 5 MS. NOEL: Yes. 6 MR. : Where would you - where 7 did you sleep at other places? 8 MS. NOEL: Where did I fall asleep? 9 MR. : Mm-hmm. 10 MS. NOEL: On a regular housing unit. 11 MR. : The regular housing unit? 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : Can you just give me a 14 little more information on that? What do you 15 mean? Were you allowed to sleep there? 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : And where were 18 (Indiscernible *04:00:15)? 19 MS. NOEL: Like I worked consecutively 20 like five days of overtime. And I would like 21 doze off - caught myself like that. But not 22 sleep. 23 MR. : Okay. So you've faller. 24 asleep in other housing units. 25 MS. NOEL: Like dozed off. EFTA00118090

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 333 1 MR. : Right. Because you were 2 overworked? 3 MS. NOEL: Yeah when I work like three or 4 four days of 16 hours, yes. 5 MR. : And how often would that 6 happen? 7 MS. NOEL: Every - how often would I fall 8 asleep -- 9 MR. : Yeah. 10 MS. NOEL: -- or the overtime? 11 MR. : How often would you fall 12 asleep? 13 MS. NOEL: Oh that was like for one or two 14 times. But I don't -. 15 MR. : I understand. But in the 16 SHU you had never fallen asleep before? 17 MS. NOEL: No because I don't work that 18 graveyard shift. 19 MR. : Well I just mean even 20 during your regular shifts 21 MS. NOEL: Right. 22 MR. : Because it sounds like 23 you guys were working a lot. 24 MS. NOEL: Yes. 25 MR. : Um so but in the SHU, you EFTA00118091

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 334 1 didn't fall asleep that night and never before 2 in the SHU? 3 MS. NOEL: In the SHU no because it's 4 daytime I'm on. 5 MR. : You said that was your 6 first time working with Thomas? 7 MS. NOEL: Yes. 8 MR. : Was that ever with Thomas 9 or just in the SHU? Did you ever work with 10 Thomas outside of the SHU? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : Would you ever like - met 13 with him or interacted with him -- 14 MS. NOEL: Yes. 15 MR. : -- prior to this? Just 16 socially or -? 17 MS. NOEL: He brings inmates to the units 18 to give out stuff. So we've spoke and said 19 hello. 20 MR. : Okay. Do you know if 21 Thomas - have you ever heard of Thomas sleeping 22 on the job previous to this incident? 23 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 24 MR. : No? And you said you did 25 try to wake him up a couple times? EFTA00118092

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 335 1 MS. NOEL: Yes. 2 MR. : But he said he was just 3 tired? 4 MS. NOEL: Yes. 5 MR. : And you said you didn't 6 report the matter to a lieutenant because he 7 actually fell asleep in front of the 8 lieutenant? 9 MS. NOEL: Yes. 10 MR. : And at that time, she hit 11 him with a piece of paper and said wake up. 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : And how did he respond to 14 that? 15 MS. NOEL: He woke up. 16 MR. : Was there a conversation 17 at all? Did he say oh I'm just exhausted? 18 MS. NOEL: Well he didn't say that. But 19 she said that. She was like that's the problem 20 in here. The overwork and the understaff. 21 MR. : So with him falling 22 asleep that's how she responded? 23 MS. NOEL: Lieutenant 24 MR. : Yeah. 25 MS. NOEL: Yeah. But she didn't respond EFTA00118093

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 336 1 like that to him. She was saying that to me. 2 That's the problem in MCC. Everybody's 3 overworked and understaffed. 4 MR. : Okay. After she left did 5 he fall back asleep? 6 MS. NOEL: Yes. 7 MR. : Have you ever witnessed 8 any other staff member fall asleep at the MCC? 9 MS. NOEL: No because you're in a unit by 10 yourself. 11 MR. : You're in what - the 12 housing units or the SHU? 13 MS. NOEL: Yeah. Like when I'm in the 14 housing unit -. Remember I don't work the SHU 15 that time, so I wouldn't know if people are 16 sleeping at that time. In the housing unit 17 you're by yourself. So I can't witness nobody. 18 MR. : Okay. And you have your 19 own little office there -- 20 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 21 MR. : -- when you're in the 22 housing unit. And that's where you might be 23 able to doze off? 24 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 25 MR. : As far as in the SHU did EFTA00118094

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 337 1 you ever experience anyone else sleeping aside 2 from Thomas? 3 MS. NOEL: that day before. 4 MR. : Okay. And I do 5 apologize. It's just been so long now. How 6 long did he sleep for? 7 MS. NOEL: Who 8 MR. : Yeah. 9 MS. NOEL: From about after 10:00 until it 10 was time for him to go. 11 MR. : So 10:00 to 12:00? Okay. 12 And did you try to wake him up at all? 13 MS. NOEL: No because he was on a triple. 14 MR. : Okay. Alright. Now 15 we're going to do -. You said you were on the 16 internet. Are you authorized to use the 17 internet when you're in the SHU? 18 MS. NOEL: I don't know if I'm authorized 19 to use the internet in the SHU but I did. I 20 don't know if I'm authorized. 21 MR. : Alright. And did you 22 conduct internet queries when you were assigned 23 to the SHU on August 10, 2019? 24 MS. NOEL: What do you mean? Like 25 internet searches. EFTA00118095

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 338 1 MR. : Did you like Google 2 things or look things up when you were in 3 there? 4 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 5 MR. : Well just tell me. What 6 did you search for? 7 MS. NOEL: Well yeah that's what - I was 8 looking at um a benefit page for something. I 9 was checking for one of my benefits. And -. 10 MR. FOY: Continue with it. I've just got 11 to - this is a jail call. 12 MR. : Okay. So attorney Foy is 13 stepping out. However attorney is it Sarraga? 14 MR. SARRAGA: Yep. 15 MR. : Sarraga is still present. 16 MS. NOEL: Yes. And then I think I looked 17 at I think it's furniture. 18 MR. : Okay. Did you do any -? 19 Do you remember conducting any internet queries 20 related to Epstein? 21 MS. NOEL: No. I don't remember doing 22 that. 23 MR. : So you don't remember 24 actually conducting queries on Epstein around 25 4:00 or 5:00 a.m.? EFTA00118096

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 339 1 MS. NOEL: Hm-mm. 2 MR. : On August 10th? No? 3 Okay. Does that surprise you for me to ask 4 that question? 5 MS. NOEL: If I don't remember doing that? 6 MR. : I don't know. Had you 7 queried him before? Had you looked up Epstein 8 previously? 9 MS. NOEL: I don't recall looking him up. 10 MR. : No? 11 MS. NOEL: No. because when you open the 12 computer, and when you click on it, like he's 13 there in the - in the Google search. Like he's 14 there. 15 MR. : Epstein is? 16 MS. NOEL: Like when you click on the 17 browser. You know like if you open it Emerson 18 or Google, like how it has that little news 19 piece. Like one time he was there. 20 MR. : And was that on August 21 10th? 22 MS. NOEL: No. I don't recall that being 23 on August 10th. I don't remember. But I don't 24 recall it being on August 10th. 25 MR. : So as in like maybe EFTA00118097

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 340 1 somebody else was looking him up and it just 2 prepopulated when you turned on the computer? 3 MS. NOEL: I don't think it does that. 4 Like on the searches, like the current news 5 will be there. So he's in the current news, so 6 he'll be there. 7 MR. : Oh. Alright. 8 MS. NOEL: It won't like load the page. 9 Like when you click on like Internet Explorer 10 or you click on like Firefox or whatever. When 11 the page loads, the news is there, weather. 12 MR. : Okay. So if you 13 prepopulated something and then you searched on 14 that day, Epstein at the MCC, that possibly 15 could have been something that was like on a 16 news feed? 17 MS. NOEL: When you say prepopulated, like 18 that as soon as you click it like it was there. 19 Not like you said a search. 20 MR. : So you weren't. Yeah. 21 Like a search. Like you were actually looking 22 at it. Or if like a news feed. 23 MS. NOEL: Oh yeah. Like I'm looking at 24 it because it's there. But not like typing it 25 in. EFTA00118098

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 341 1 MR. : So you're not like 2 actually going to Google or Yahoo or some kind 3 of a search engine and -- 4 MS. NOEL: No. 5 MR. : -- saying Epstein? 6 MS. NOEL: No. 7 MR. : Alright. Do you remember 8 reviewing news articles on Epstein 9 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 10 MR. : -- on August 10th? 11 MS. NOEL: On August 10th? I don't recall 12 if it was August 10th but I remember when I saw 13 it I like scrolled and read it. 14 MR. : Okay. And what was the 15 purpose of that? 16 MS. NOEL: What was the purpose of that? 17 MR. : Yep. 18 MS. NOEL: Because he's in there. I just 19 scrolled and -. 20 MR. : Sure. So you're trying 21 to learn about the inmate that was -. 22 MS. NOEL: And read it. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MS. NOEL: Because remember, I was asked 25 like do I know who that was. And I was like EFTA00118099

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 342 1 no. and they was like he's always in the news. 2 So when I saw it, I just briefly like skimmed 3 to see like what he was in the news for but -. 4 MR. : Okay. And do you recall 5 at 5:42 to 5:52 on August 10, 2019 looking at 6 articles related to Epstein? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : You do not recall that? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : Do you remember searching 11 for him? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : Or having anything to do 14 with when you're on the internet? 15 MS. NOEL: No. 16 MR. : With Epstein in 17 (Indiscernible *04:07:02)? 18 MS. NOEL: No. 19 MR. : 5:52? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : No? Does it surprise you 22 to hear that you know internet searches would 23 show that that's what you were doing from 5:42 24 to 5:52 a.m. on August 10, 2019? 25 MS. NOEL: Yeah. EFTA00118100

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 343 1 MR. : That does surprise you? 2 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 3 MR. : So do you think that 4 would not be accurate then? 5 MS. NOEL: Yes. 6 MR. : You think it would be 7 accurate or not be accurate? 8 MS. NOEL: Oh no. It wouldn't be 9 accurate. 10 MR. : It wouldn't be accurate? 11 You do not believe that you actually conducted 12 those searches? 13 MS. NOEL: No. 14 MR. : Okay. And since you had 15 the keys, no one could have visited the SHU 16 without you knowing. Correct? 17 MS. NOEL: Correct. 18 MR. : And the individual on 10 19 South - - or anyone else. Are they able 20 to access the SHU without someone in the SHU 21 allowing them in? Can they get out of 10 South 22 and enter the SHU by themselves? Or does 23 someone from the SHU like you and Thomas need 24 to authorize them entry? 25 MS. NOEL: He needs to call like I have to EFTA00118101

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 call control to pop that door. 2 MR. : So he has to call 3 control? 4 MS. NOEL: Because there's a door that 5 lets you into 10. You have to call control. 6 MR. : And then is it like the 7 entrance? Is there also a second door that you 8 have to use a key for? 9 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 10 MR. : So there's also two into 11 10 South? 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : And that second door is 14 that the one that -? 15 MS. NOEL: don't have the key for. 16 MR. : So he would also have a 17 key? Or is it just 18 MS. NOEL: No I don't have the key for 19 upstairs. 20 MR. : Alright. So he needs to 21 open his own? 22 MS. NOEL: Right. 23 MR. : And then control pops it 24 25 MS. NOEL: Pops it. EFTA00118102

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 345 1 MR. : -- to then allow him into 2 the SHU? 3 MS. NOEL: Yes. 4 MR. : So he could theoretically 5 get into the SHU without your knowledge? 6 MS. NOEL: No. I have to call control to 7 pop me into the SHU. 8 MR. : Yeah-yeah. I'm saying 9 ' ability to get into the SHU where you 10 and Thomas were. 11 MS. NOEL: Be he can't do that because he 12 can't leave unless -. Because remember Thomas 13 has to go up to relive him. So Thomas is 14 getting the door popped. But he can't just 15 come out and get the door popped because he 16 would leave the unit with nobody up there. 17 MR. : Right. What I'm saying 18 is like could he? Does he have the ability to? 19 Not policy dictates that he can't do it. I'm 20 saying would he be able to if he wanted to? 21 Take policy out of the way. 22 MS. NOEL: Call for them to pop the door? 23 MR. : Right. So like point 24 being, could have he accessed the SHU 25 theoretically without you and Thomas' EFTA00118103

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 346 1 knowledge? 2 MS. NOEL: Yes. Because he could go and 3 pop the door. 4 MR. : Right. But he would have 5 had to call control in order to do so. 6 MS. NOEL: Yes. 7 MR. : Alright. And does 8 anything allow control to know if that door was 9 never locked or closed or anything behind him? 10 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 11 MR. : You're not sure? Would 12 an alarm sound if a door wasn't closed or 13 anything? 14 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 15 MR. : You're not sure. Who was 16 the last person to see Epstein alive prior to 17 August 10, 2019 at 6:33 a.m.? 18 MS. NOEL: The last person to see him 19 alive? I would guess me. Because I got -. 20 MR. : You were? 21 MS. NOEL: Because I counted at 10:00 - or 22 after 10:00. 23 MR. : And on that occasion, you 24 didn't actually enter his cell you said? 25 MS. NOEL: No. EFTA00118104

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 347 1 MR. : Who was that last person 2 to have physical contact with Epstein? 3 MS. NOEL: Thomas. 4 MR. : Thomas would have? And 5 when would have that been? 6 MS. NOEL: When he was feeding. 7 MR. : No-no-no. 8 MS. NOEL: You mean like a time? 9 MR. : Thomas had physical 10 contact with Epstein during his shift on August 11 10th prior to 6:30? 12 MS. NOEL: Oh no. Not prior to the 6:30 13 a.m. I'm talking about at the 6:30. 14 MR. : Right. So you're the 15 last person to see him. 16 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 17 MR. : Who was the last person 18 to have physical contact with him? 19 MS. NOEL: Oh! Whoever put him in the 20 cell. When I went to the bathroom. 21 MR. : Okay. So you're not 22 sure? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : Alright. When you saw 25 him, please explain in detail like -? Or EFTA00118105

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 348 1 guess you already did. You said when you saw 2 him he just put his hand up. 3 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 4 MR. : And then he - you said he 5 also asked for -. 6 MS. NOEL: CPAP machine to be plugged in. 7 MR. : And that is something 8 that he has every night? 9 MS. NOEL: Yes. 10 MR. : Yep? Did he seem - did 11 anything seem unusual with him? 12 MS. NOEL: No. See there's exceptions 13 being made for Epstein because it's Epstein. 14 You're not supposed to have -. A CPAP machine 15 has a long cord. So other inmates don't have a 16 CPAP machine in the SHU. Like you're not 17 supposed to have that. Who authorized it, who 18 gave it to him, I don't know. 19 MR. : Okay. And that's kind of 20 what I was asking earlier - and this was much 21 earlier - about like where like did Epstein was 22 he treated differently than others? 23 MS. NOEL: I mean -. 24 MR. : Were there other 25 instances that you can think of like people EFTA00118106

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 349 1 said pay him special attention because he's 2 different from eh other inmates? 3 MS. NOEL: No. Just the CPAP machine and 4 one time he wanted two mattresses. 5 MR. : He wanted two mattresses? 6 MS. NOEL: Yes. 7 MR. : Was he provided two 8 mattresses? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : So he just had the one 11 mattress? 12 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 13 MR. : So the only thing you can 14 think of is that? 15 MS. NOEL: Is that. 16 MR. : Is it like C-P-A-C? 17 MS. NOEL: What the CPAP? C-P-A-P. 18 MR. : CPAP. 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MR. : Is it the one with like a 22 mask that's attached to your face? 23 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 24 MR. : And there's actually like 25 a cord that goes with that? EFTA00118107

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 350 1 MS. NOEL: Yeah. The cord has to be 2 plugged in. 3 MR. : Now do you consider that 4 like a safety issue or anything like that? 5 MS. NOEL: But see that's the thing. 6 don't authorize those things. 7 MR. : Sure. 8 MS. NOEL: That's why I said when a person 9 You see how the question was asked when 10 somebody comes back from suicide watch. Like 11 is there like something like special being 12 said. Like no because he's cleared. Because 13 if there was then why would he be allowed to 14 have that in his room? So once you're cleared 15 and you come back, you're back. 16 MR. : Okay. Were there any 17 other issues with any inmates on August 10th 18 from 12:00 a.m. to 6:33 a.m.? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : No? So there was no 21 disturbances? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : Were there any inmates 24 complaining about the lights being left on or 25 anything like that? Do you recall? EFTA00118108

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. NOEL: Not that I know of. 2 MR. : No? And do you recall if 3 any other inmates were on - came from suicide 4 watch? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : So you don't remember any 7 other inmates being handled differently than 8 others? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : No? Or like special 11 instructions with regard to this inmate or that 12 inmate. 13 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 14 MR. : And you don't remember 15 inmates complaining about the lights you said. 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : How do the lights work? 18 Do they stay on in the range all times - uh 19 24/7? 20 MS. NOEL: The 21 MR. : In each tier? 22 MS. NOEL: I don't know. But the light is 23 in the hallway for the room. 24 MR. : So for an interior room. 25 What about the down the hallway to each for EFTA00118109

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 each tier? 2 MS. NOEL: Oh yeah. It stays on. 3 MR. : Were they on 24/7? 4 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 5 MR. : Do they ever turn those 6 lights off? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : No? Okay. Now we're 9 going to get into a little into more of the 10 specific stuff. Was there a medical emergency 11 in the SHU in the morning of August 10, 2019? 12 MS. NOEL: Yes. 13 MR. : Why was the medial 14 emergency called? 15 MS. NOEL: Because when I opened the grill 16 and Thomas went to go feed, he knocked on the 17 door. He got no response. And he opened the 18 door. And then he started saying get the 19 cutter. And I heard -. I was on the grill. 20 heard when he ripped something and he started 21 CPR. 22 MR. : Okay. When was the 23 medical emergency called? 24 MS. NOEL: At that time. 25 MR. : How soon after um Thomas EFTA00118110

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 353 1 entering -- 2 MS. NOEL: When he opened the door, he 3 yelled get the cutter. 4 MR. : -- the cell? 5 MS. NOEL: I had the audio on. 6 MR. : Was he already in the 7 cell at that time? Or had he not yet gone in? 8 MS. NOEL: He was in the cell. 9 MR. : So he walked into the 10 cell and he yelled out? Did he come back out 11 of the cell and yell to you? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : He yelled from within? 14 MS. NOEL: Yes. 15 MR. : Could you see him at that 16 time? 17 MS. NOEL: Could I see him? No. 18 MR. : No? And from eh time 19 that he was discovered to the time of your 20 call, about how much time passed from him 21 saying - entering the cell - and the time that 22 the medical emergency was called by you. 23 MS. NOEL: A - 24 MR. : Are we talking about like 25 five seconds -- EFTA00118111

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 2 MR. : -- one minute or -? 3 MS. NOEL: A second. As soon as he said 4 it I did it. 5 MR. : Oh so like there's just 6 button that you hit? 7 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 8 MR. : So you 9 MS. NOEL: Because the button is on my 10 radio. 11 MR. : And did you call it in at 12 that time? 13 MS. NOEL: No once you hit it, everybody's 14 coming. 15 MR. : Alright. So there's 16 nothing that you call in. You just push a 17 button. 18 MS. NOEL: Yes. 19 MR. : Alright. So at the 20 second he told you get the cutter, you hit the 21 medical emergency? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : Did he say anything about 24 what he saw? 25 MS. NOEL: When he got - when he entered EFTA00118112

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 355 1 the room, and he said get the cutter, before I 2 got the cutter, I heard him tear something. 3 And then when he lowered him to the floor, 4 that's when I saw him and he started CPR. 5 MR. : Alright. So he never 6 said like Epstein hung himself or what he saw. 7 He just said get the cutter. 8 MS. NOEL: He said get the cutter. And 9 then he started CPR. And he kept saying, 10 "Breathe, Epstein, breathe!" And he was like, 11 "We're going to be in so much trouble." 12 MR. : And where were you when 13 he was doing that? 14 MS. NOEL: On the grill. 15 MR. : Were you in a position to 16 be able to see anything in there? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : At any time did you see 19 anything in there? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : Did you ever see Epstein 22 in the cell? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : So you never even went 25 over to like look in? EFTA00118113

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : Okay. So you didn't 3 actually have to call anything over the radio. 4 It was just a simple push of a button. 5 MS. NOEL: A button. 6 MR. : And around what time did 7 you say Epstein was last fed? 8 MS. NOEL: After 10:00. 9 MR. : After 10:00 p.m.? 10 MS. NOEL: I mean - not after 10:00. When 11 they fed him in the cell around - I guess after 12 8:00 or 9:00. 13 MR. : Sometime between 8:00 and 14 9:00 p.m.? 15 MS. NOEL: When I came back from the 16 bathroom. 17 MR. : And who was it that fed 18 him? 19 MS. NOEL: Me. 20 MR. : You fed him. 21 MS. NOEL: Yes. 22 MR. : And did you say at that 23 point did you actually talk with him? 24 MS. NOEL: No. 25 MR. : Okay. And did you or EFTA00118114

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 357 1 anyone else recover his food tray? 2 MS. NOEL: I don't know if somebody did. 3 Not me. 4 MR. : Okay. But you didn't do 5 it? 6 MS. NOEL: No. 7 MR. : Who else could have done 8 it if it wasn't you? 9 MS. NOEL: I don't know because after the 10 medical emergency, nobody's allowed to go in 11 the room. So. 12 MR. : So you're just not sure 13 if by the time you fed him, in that medical 14 emergency, if it was ever recovered? 15 MS. NOEL: Right. 16 MR. : Okay. Alright. So when 17 you fed him - can you just again refresh my 18 memory - what is it that you saw with Epstein 19 when you gave him the food? 20 MS. NOEL: He gets like microwaveable 21 food. So I just handed it to him. Through the 22 slot. And he took it. 23 MR. : Okay. And any instances 24 where you saw him from the shower to the last 25 time you said you saw him between 10:00 and EFTA00118115

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 358 1 10:30 or whatever that was. Anything unusual? 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. : Nothing that caught - 4 raised suspicion? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : No like distress or 7 anything like that with him? 8 MS. NOEL: No. 9 MR. : And you're sure when you 10 saw him at 10:00 - 10:30 he was alive? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes. (Indiscernible *04:17:41) 12 MR. : I'm sorry what? 13 MS. NOEL: Yes. He put his hand up. 14 MR. : He put his hand up. 15 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 16 MR. : And he wasn't like 17 hanging against the bed when he put it up? 18 MS. NOEL: No. 19 MR. : Where was he located? 20 MS. NOEL: on the floor. On a mattress. 21 MR. : So he was like sleeping? 22 MS. NOEL: He was laying on the floor on 23 the mattress and he had the machine. 24 MR. : And he had the machine on 25 him? EFTA00118116

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 359 1 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 MR. : When you looked through his 4 window. 5 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 6 MR. : Right. What of his body 7 could you see? 8 MS. NOEL: Um his head, his hand, and like 9 maybe to mid-there. 10 MR. : The best of the body was -? 11 MS. NOEL: Like under his head. Mm-hmm. 12 MR. : So he was laying facing the 13 wall? 14 MS. NOEL: Yeah. He was facing like this 15 big (Indiscernible *04:18:24) is this way. The 16 mattress was here on the floor. Like in front 17 of the bunk on the floor. 18 MR. : And the CPAP machine was it 19 already attached to him? 20 MS. NOEL: Yeah. He had it on. 21 MR. : I'm not following what 22 you're saying about that. So the mattress was 23 laying like -. 24 MS. NOEL: The mattress was like how you 25 just take it off the bunk and you put it on the EFTA00118117

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 360 1 floor. 2 MR. : Yep. 3 MS. NOEL: Well he shoves it to the 4 corner. 5 MR. : And he was laying on - 6 was he laying on it like the direction of the 7 mattress lines? 8 MS. NOEL: That the mattress is going. 9 Yeah. 10 MR. : Alright. So he wasn't 11 like L or a T shape -- 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : -- with the -. 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : Alright. So he was like 16 17 MS. NOEL: Direction of the mattress. 18 MR. : Okay. You want to ask 19 more on that? 20 MR. : No. Just had that quick. 21 MR. : And you said to your 22 knowledge, no one else saw him between the time 23 you last saw him and when Michael discovered 24 him. 25 MS. NOEL: Right. EFTA00118118

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 361 1 MR. : Did you hear anything 2 from Epstein's cell between 10:30 p.m. and 6:33 3 a.m.? 4 MS. NOEL: No. 5 MR. : No like movement, 6 talking, or a crash? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : Anything like that? And 9 about how far were you from Epstein's cell when 10 Thomas went in? 11 MS. NOEL: I don't know. The grill is 12 right here and the door is right here. 13 MR. : So I mean is it like - so 14 this is a foot, this is two feet, this three 15 feet. 16 MS. NOEL: A foot. 17 MR. : A foot? 18 MS. NOEL: From the grill to the door 19 right here. But he's inside. So. 20 MR. : Right. 21 MS. NOEL: I'm not in there. So from the 22 grill to the actual door about a foot. 23 MR. : Only about a foot? 24 MS. NOEL: Yes. 25 MR. : Now was the grill door - EFTA00118119

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 362 1 is that a door that is closed? Was it closed 2 or was it open? 3 MS. NOEL: I opened it. And then Thomas 4 goes in. 5 MR. : Okay. So was it open 6 when Thomas entered Epstein's cell? 7 MS. NOEL: I opened it. I opened the 8 grill for him to go in. 9 MR. : Right. And did it remain 10 open? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes but I'm -. 12 MR. : Or did you close it 13 behind you? 14 MS. NOEL: No. I'm standing there so it's 15 open. 16 MR. : So you're only a foot 17 away from Epstein's cell door though? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes. 19 MR. : And you never looked in? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : Was it because - why 22 didn't you look in? 23 MS. NOEL: Because usually the door is not 24 open. His intentions is to feed. So he would 25 just open the slot and put the food in. When EFTA00118120

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 363 1 he knocked, he didn't get no answer. So that's 2 when Thomas opened the door and went in. I 3 stood on the grill. And as soon as he opened 4 the door and he went in, he started screaming, 5 "Get the cutter!" So I hit the body alarm 6 because I have to - when everybody's coming, I 7 have to let them in. I never went in. 8 MR. : Okay. So after he made 9 the call, did you go get the cutter and bring 10 it back to him? 11 MS. NOEL: No. I didn't get the cutter 12 because he didn't need it. 13 MR. : Because he ripped 14 something? 15 MS. NOEL: Yes. 16 MR. : And you actually heard it 17 rip? 18 MS. NOEL: I heard the rip. 19 MR. : Okay. And the reason why 20 - and then you left the grill to go let people 21 in? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : Alright. So how long 24 after Mike Thomas went into the room did you 25 leave the grill station door that was a foot EFTA00118121

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 364 1 away from Epstein's door? 2 MS. NOEL: Maybe like two three minutes. 3 MR. : So you were there for two 4 or three minutes while he was conducting CPR? 5 MS. NOEL: Yes. 6 MR. : And at that time, never 7 once did you actually look in to see what he 8 was doing? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : Even though it was just a 11 foot away? 12 MS. NOEL: Right. 13 MR. : And that's what I'm 14 asking you. 15 MS. NOEL: No by that time, when he's 16 conducting CPR, I can see because he lowered 17 him to the floor and I could -. 18 MR. : And that's what I'm 19 asking. So you could see him lower him to the 20 floor? 21 MS. NOEL: Yeah. I could see when he 22 lowered him to the floor. 23 MR. : This is where I want to 24 make sure that we're -. I'm asking you what 25 could you see inside? EFTA00118122

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 365 1 MS. NOEL: Oh no. I can't see inside the 2 cell. I could only just see Thomas doing CPR. 3 MR. : But you saw him lower him 4 to the floor? 5 MS. NOEL: Yes. He lowered him to the 6 floor and I -. 7 MR. : So this is what I want to 8 know. What did you see? So what you could see 9 from where you were standing? What could you 10 see? Everything. Because I'm getting confused 11 with what you're telling me. I thought you 12 said you never looked in. You never saw 13 anything. What did you see? From the moment 14 the medical emergency occurred. So he walked 15 to the door -. 16 MS. NOEL: When he -- 17 MR. : -- what do you see? 18 MS. NOEL: -- goes in the door first, I 19 don't see anything. I hear the rip and then he 20 lowers him to the floor -- 21 MR. : Okay. So just back up -. 22 What do you mean by lowering him to the floor? 23 Did you watch him rip or just heard? 24 MS. NOEL: I heard the rip. 25 MR. : Okay. EFTA00118123

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 366 1 MS. NOEL: I only see -. It's just like 2 this. He's holding him like this. And he puts 3 him to the floor to start CPR. 4 MR. : Did he put his arms 5 underneath Epstein's arms? 6 MS. NOEL: I don't remember how he held 7 him directly. But he just lowered him to the 8 floor. I don't remember how he - the details 9 of how he lowered him to the floor. 10 MR. : So he - somewhere on his 11 upper body then lowered him to his like butt to 12 the floor? 13 MS. NOEL: Yes. 14 MR. : And then he then allowed 15 him to drop? Or did he place him -? 16 MS. NOEL: No. He didn't allow him to 17 drop. He had him all the way. 18 MR. : So at all times he 19 maintained control of Epstein's body and brough 20 him to the floor? 21 MS. NOEL: Yes. 22 MR. : And you witnessed all of 23 this? 24 MS. NOEL: I just only witnessed when the 25 top part of his body went to the floor. EFTA00118124

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 367 1 MR. : Okay. And at any time 2 did like - and we have to ask this just because 3 of you know, the autopsy and things like that. 4 Did his head smash against the floor? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : Alright. So everything 7 was like a gentle like -- 8 MS. NOEL: Yes. 9 MR. : -- fluid movement? 10 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 11 MR. : From you heard it rip. 12 Did you ever hear like [sound]? Hear him like 13 land on the floor? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : So you didn't hear like 16 alright, he ripped this thing. So you think he 17 ripped it and then maintained control of him? 18 MS. NOEL: Probably. I didn't see that 19 part. I just only heard the rip. 20 MR. : Alright. But you did see 21 Did you see his body after the rip hit the 22 floor? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : Alright. So he's on the 25 floor. Maybe like his butt's on the floor and EFTA00118125

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 368 1 his upper body is up. And that's when you 2 witnessed him now bringing him down to the 3 floor? 4 MS. NOEL: He brought him down to the 5 floor. I can't see that other half of his 6 body. So I don't know. Just -. 7 MR. : What part of his body do 8 you see? 9 MS. NOEL: Just the top part like torso up 10 and he's bringing him down. 11 MR. : Alright. And then did 12 you see him -? When you say CPR, what kind of 13 CPR was he giving him? 14 MS. NOEL: Chest compression. 15 MR. : Any kind of mouth-to- 16 mouth of breath? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : Did he ever check for his 19 vitals? Did he ever check to see if he was 20 alive first? 21 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 22 MR. : You don't know. Did you 23 witness him check for breath or check for a 24 pulse? 25 MS. NOEL: I didn't see that. EFTA00118126

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 369 1 MR. : You didn't see either? 2 MS. NOEL: No. I just seen him giving 3 compressions. 4 MR. : Alright. Did you see him 5 like try to wake him up or hit him or anything 6 like that? 7 MS. NOEL: No. Just compressions. 8 MR. : Did you have any 9 communication with Thomas while he was doing 10 this? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : What were you saying 13 about we're going to be in so trouble. When 14 was that -? 15 MS. NOEL: Thomas said that. 16 MR. : That's what I'm asking. 17 Did you have a conversation - did you have any 18 communication with Thomas -? 19 MS. NOEL: Oh no. No. 20 MR. : Well you did have that 21 right? 22 MS. NOEL: No he said we're going to be in 23 so much trouble. I didn't say anything. 24 MR. : Okay. So what statements 25 did he make to you? EFTA00118127

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 370 1 MS. NOEL: Get the cutter. And then 2 heard the rip. He lowered him to the floor. 3 He was doing CPR. He said, "breathe Epstein 4 breathe" and he said we're going to be in so 5 much trouble. But I never said anything. 6 MR. : You didn't respond to 7 "we're going to be in so much trouble"? 8 MS. NOEL: No. 9 MR. : Do you know why he said 10 you're going to be in so much trouble? 11 MS. NOEL: Because we didn't the count. 12 MR. : Okay. 13 MS. : I think it's important though 14 that you convey to him like - that you didn't 15 understand the magnitude of what had just taken 16 place. Right? Because that's something that 17 you had expressed. So like not knowing what a 18 cutter was. And maybe that gives insight into 19 why there wasn't a more in-depth conversation. 20 I think it's important that -. 21 MS. NOEL: Yeah. When he said to get the 22 cutter, like I would have to go try to look for 23 where a cutter was. But he didn't need it 24 because I heard the rip. And then when he said 25 we was going to be in so much trouble, like I EFTA00118128

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 371 1 still wasn't thinking like the trouble that 2 we're in now. I was just probably thinking 3 because I know we didn't do the count. But I 4 never responded because all the inmates by this 5 time are on the door. 6 MR. : Because they're all 7 watching? 8 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 9 MR. : This all take place? 10 MR. : I've got a question. 11 MR. : Yeah. Go ahead. 12 MR. : You said you opened the 13 MS. NOEL: The grill. 14 MR. -- the grill. Did he have 15 keys to open Epstein's cell? 16 MS. NOEL: Who Thomas? 17 MR. : Thomas. 18 MS. NOEL: Yeah. He as the door keys. So 19 there's two separate set of keys? 20 MS. NOEL: Yes. 21 MR. : So he - that's the keys that 22 stayed with him the whole time? 23 MS. NOEL: Yes. 24 MR. : But those door keys -. So on 25 the keychain that you have. What does that EFTA00118129

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 open? 2 MS. NOEL: The grills. 3 MR. : That's it? 4 MS. NOEL: There's other keys. The grill, 5 the front door, that middle door, but not the 6 inside cell door key. 7 MR. : That's with Thomas? 8 MS. NOEL: Yes. 9 MR. : Now when you look inside the 10 cell, you said you could see only Epstein's 11 upper body. Where was he hanging? 12 MS. NOEL: I don't know. I didn't see 13 that part. 14 MR. : And when you heard the thud, 15 or you know, the rip and then the body landing. 16 Did you look inside to see what he was doing? 17 MS. NOEL: When he - when the body -. 18 Because when he lowered the body, he stepped 19 back like to come like it's almost like he was 20 backing up because you're bringing him down. 21 So that's how come I was able to just see that 22 part. But I didn't like to go look in the 23 cell. I was still on the grill. 24 MR. : So that's what I was trying 25 to understand. Where exactly was he hanging? EFTA00118130

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 373 1 MS. NOEL: I don't know that because I 2 don't know where he took him down from. I just 3 only heard the rip and then when he was walking 4 the body like down. 5 MR. : So he was - basically his 6 arms were behind Epstein? 7 MS. NOEL: Right. And he was bringing 8 him -. 9 MR. : And he was pulling him up? 10 MS. NOEL: -- bringing him down. 11 MR. : Was there a mattress on the 12 floor? 13 MS. NOEL: Well I'm assuming because the 14 mattress was on the floor earlier. But I don't 15 know. 16 MR. : So from where you were 17 standing, you couldn't see the actual mattress? 18 MS. NOEL: Mattress? No. 19 MR. : SO he wasn't doing CPR 20 like on top of the mattress? 21 MS. NOEL: No. Not that I can remember. 22 MR. : Do you remember what 23 Epstein was wearing? From what you could see 24 from his -? 25 MS. NOEL: He didn't have a shirt on. EFTA00118131

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 374 1 MR. : So not even like a ripped 2 shirt? Nothing was on? 3 MS. NOEL: He didn't have a shirt on. 4 MR. : Okay. At that time when 5 you saw him, did you see anything around his 6 neck? 7 MS. NOEL: No. 8 MR. : And when you say no, are 9 you saying there was nothing around his neck? 10 MS. NOEL: No. There was nothing around 11 his neck. 12 MR. : So there was nothing 13 around his neck? Okay. What did he look like? 14 MS. NOEL: Blue. 15 MR. : He looked blue? Did he 16 look like bloated or puffy or anything? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : Did he look like he was 19 deceased? 20 MS. NOEL: His face looked blue. But. 21 MR. : Any reason for you to 22 believe that he was alive? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : No? Did you see any kind 25 of breath or anything? EFTA00118132

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 375 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : No? What did his cell 3 look like from what you could see? 4 MS. NOEL: I wasn't really looking at his 5 cell. By that point I was just looking at 6 Thomas doing CPR. I didn't look in there to 7 see what was going on. 8 MR. : Okay. So you didn't 9 notice anything like unusual in his cell? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : When Thomas went to his 12 door, did you notice if he actually had to use 13 his key to open it? Or was it - do you know if 14 it was actually already -? 15 MS. NOEL: He used a key to open it. 16 MR. : So are you confident that 17 that door was locked? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes. Because he knocked. And 19 then he used the key to open it. He knocked. 20 He knocked. He didn't get a response. And 21 then he used the key to open. 22 MR. : Was there any indication 23 that any of the other inmates could have gotten 24 out of their cells? 25 MS. NOEL: No. EFTA00118133

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 376 1 MR. : And you said you don't 2 know if Thomas actually checked to see if he 3 was alive? 4 MS. NOEL: Yeah. I don't know. 5 MR. : You just know he went 6 straight into compressions. And did you say 7 you were two or three minutes that you stood 8 there? How long were you actually at the 9 when they walked into the door? 10 MS. NOEL: When I went to go get them to 11 come in the door? Between the time - 12 MR. : So you let -. Thomas 13 goes in. He goes into the room. He's making 14 these - you know you're watching him do some 15 compressions. He makes the statement, "we're 16 going to be in so much trouble." How long are 17 you standing there while you're observing this? 18 MS. NOEL: About one to two minutes. 19 Because I'm waiting for - the radio is going to 20 tell me when everybody's -. Because remember, 21 once I hit that button, everybody's coming. So 22 the radio is going to tell me when everybody's 23 at - when they're at the door. And then when I 24 pop the door and let them in. So I go to the 25 door. EFTA00118134

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 377 1 MR. : And you never entered 2 Epstein's cell? 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : Who was the second person 5 to enter Epstein's cell? 6 MS. NOEL: That I don't remember because 7 everybody came right at the time I don't 8 remember. 9 MR. : Okay. So you don't 10 remember the first person on the scene? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : Did you assist at all 13 with the medical emergency? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : No? So what actions did 16 you take after people arrived? What did you 17 do? 18 MS. NOEL: Nothing. They told me to get 19 out the way. 20 MR. : So did you like leave the 21 tier? 22 MS. NOEL: I was on the bottom of the 23 stairs. Mm-hmm. 24 MR. : Like observing? 25 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. Yes. EFTA00118135

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 378 1 MR. : Okay. What did you 2 observe from the bottom of the stairs? When 3 people arrived? 4 MS. NOEL: They got a stretcher. And they 5 put him on the stretcher. And brought him out. 6 MR. : Did anyone take over for 7 the CPR efforts that Thomas was doing? 8 MS. NOEL: I don't remember. 9 MR. : You don't remember seeing 10 this? So this isn't something that's vivid in 11 your memory? You know like this whole big 12 occurrence. You're not almost like you're 13 playing it in slow motion? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : The details of it? 16 MS. NOEL: No because when Thomas was 17 doing CPR. Then when they came, they took the 18 stretcher and put him on the stretcher and 19 left. As far as when they're -. Remember it's 20 a lot of people. So I'm not really seeing like 21 who's two steps - they're coming out with him. 22 MR. : About how many people 23 responded? 24 MS. NOEL: Mm. I don't know. Maybe 10, 25 15. EFTA00118136

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 379 1 MR. : And they didn't know what 2 they were responding to? They just knew it was 3 a medical emergency. It wasn't announced that 4 it was Epstein. 5 MS. NOEL: No. There ain't nobody that 6 (Indiscernible *04:31:48). 7 MR. : And is that typical for 8 10 to 15 people to respond? To a medical 9 emergency? 10 MS. NOEL: It - there's no number. It's 11 when - whoever is in the building and the body 12 alarm goes off once you're not in a post - 13 because when you're on a post you can't leave 14 your post. But everybody else in the building 15 responds. 16 MR. : And they just leave 17 wherever they were? To respond? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes. 19 MR. : Okay. 20 MR. : I've got a question. 21 MR. : Go ahead. 22 MR. : When a body alarm is hit, who 23 gets notified? 24 MS. NOEL: Control. 25 MR. : And how do they differentiate EFTA00118137

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 380 1 between an inmate altercation versus a medical 2 emergency? 3 MS. NOEL: I mean the person that's 4 hitting the body alarm can say it. But there's 5 no differentiation. So either way the response 6 is the same. 7 MR. : So you could have said 8 it. You just didn't say anything. 9 MS. NOEL: Like when I hit the button, I 10 could have said a medical emergency on the 11 radio. Yeah, I could have said that. 12 MR. : But you didn't. 13 MS. NOEL: No because it's the same 14 response. 15 MR. : Right. 16 MS. NOEL: Mm-hmm. 17 MR. : Has anybody ever hit it 18 accidentally? 19 MS. NOEL: Yes. And same thing. 20 MR. : And people just rush? 21 MS. NOEL: Everybody comes. Yes. 22 MR. : Okay. Alright. You said 23 you stood there for a little while on the 24 bottom of the steps. You observed some people 25 going in. You don't know who took over CPR. EFTA00118138

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 381 1 You just saw -- 2 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 3 MR. : -- who put up. Do you 4 remember who put him on a stretcher? 5 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 6 MR. : Did you see the body like 7 fall or anything going on the stretcher? 8 MS. NOEL: No. 9 MR. : Did he ever fall off of 10 the stretcher? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : Did anyone drop the 13 stretcher? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : When they were moving 16 him, did you see him like get knocked or 17 anything like that? 18 MS. NOEL: No. 19 MR. : No? Anything then - did 20 you notice anything that could have caused 21 additional injuries to his body aside from what 22 the hanging would have caused? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : No? What did Thomas do 25 after people responded? EFTA00118139

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 382 1 MS. NOEL: After they took him out on the 2 stretcher, he left. 3 MR. : So not after the 4 stretcher. Once at least one person showed up. 5 Do you know what Thomas did? 6 MS. NOEL: No because I'm at the bottom of 7 the stairs. So I don't know. Because they're 8 - remember they're on the top. I'm at the 9 bottom. So I don't know. 10 MR. : So could you even see in 11 at all at that point? 12 MS. NOEL: No. I could only see when they 13 coming down with him on the stretcher. Because 14 I'm at the bottom. I can't see up there now. 15 MR. : Okay. So after you were 16 standing there when you let people in, you 17 really couldn't see in the door anymore? 18 MS. NOEL: No. 19 MR. : Okay. What happened 20 after they came out with the stretcher? 21 MS. NOEL: They left out of SHU with him. 22 MR. : Did you go with them? 23 MS. NOEL: No. I had to stay. 24 MR. : You stayed in SHU? Did 25 anyone stay with you? EFTA00118140

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 383 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : So you were there alone? 3 MS. NOEL: Alone. 4 MR. : And what did you do at 5 that time? 6 MS. NOEL: I kept calling control. Like 7 what's going on? And they was like somebody's 8 going to come like to help you. Because 9 remember we were supposed to feed. 10 MR. : Who was it -? How long 11 were you in the SHU by yourself after they 12 left? 13 MS. NOEL: Um... Maybe like 20 - 15 or 20 14 minutes. 15 MR. : So just -. Do you 16 remember if -? Now I want to say these names 17 to make sure that they were actually there. Do 18 you remember if the first person to arrive in 19 the SHU was Lieutenant ? Does that 20 help spark a recollection of who arrived first 21 since you were the one that let them in? 22 MS. NOEL: When the medical -. I don't 23 know who arrived first. But he was in there. 24 MR. : Because you're the one 25 that had to let them in. Right? EFTA00118141

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 384 1 MS. NOEL: Yeah. But I don't remember who 2 came in first. But he was there. When 3 was there, I remember 4 MR. 5 MS. NOEL: Yes. 6 MR. : Do you know how to spell 7 that last name? 8 MS. NOEL: 9 MR. : Okay. And did you say 10 anything to the people that arrived? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : You didn't say like it's 13 Epstein or Epstein hung himself or anything? 14 MS. NOEL: No. The only thing they asked 15 Because when they come on, they want to 16 know where the emergency is. So I just pointed 17 up the stairs. 18 MR. : Okay. Did you make any 19 statements to anybody about saying we didn't do 20 rounds at 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m.? 21 MS. NOEL: No. After Lieutenant 22 asked me what happened. When I was getting 23 ready to answer him, Thomas came off the 24 elevator and was like, "Oh it's not her fault. 25 We fucked up." EFTA00118142

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 385 1 MR. : So at first did you say, 2 "We didn't do rounds at 3:00 a.m. -- 3 MS. NOEL: No. 4 MR. : -- and then he responded 5 it's not your fault we didn't do the rounds we 6 messed up? 7 MS. NOEL: No. I didn't say that. 8 MR. : So that's not your 9 recollection that you saying we didn't do the 10 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. rounds? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : Okay. So they're saying 13 that you said that. Do you think that they're 14 mistaking? That you told them that? 15 MS. NOEL: I don't recall saying that. 16 MR. : Okay. So you don't 17 recall. But is it possible that you could have 18 said that? 19 MS. NOEL: Probably but I don't recall 20 saying that. I remember Lieutenant asked 21 me what happened. And I was getting ready to 22 tell him what happened. And Thomas came off 23 the elevator and said that. But I don't recall 24 saying that. 25 MR. : And this is after Thomas EFTA00118143

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 came back from bringing Epstein down? 2 MS. NOEL: Well he went down with them. 3 Yes. 4 MR. : And then he came back? 5 So when you say by the elevator where was the 6 elevator? 7 MS. NOEL: In the hallway. 8 MR. : Outside the SHU? In the 9 SHU? 10 MS. NOEL: Like right the door the first 11 door. 12 MR. : The first door of what? 13 MS. NOEL: The SHU. 14 MR. : So is that outside of the 15 SHU? 16 MS. NOEL: Like right outside the door. 17 The SHU door. 18 MR. : Outside of the second 19 outer door? 20 MS. NOEL: Yes. 21 MR. : So right outside of the 22 outer door? This is where you had a 23 conversation with who? 24 MS. NOEL: Lieutenant 25 MR. : Who else was present? EFTA00118144

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 387 1 MS. NOEL: Nobody else. Just me, him, and 2 Thomas. 3 MR. : Okay. And he asked you 4 what happened? 5 MS. NOEL: He asked me what happened. And 6 the elevator door opened. And Thomas came off 7 the elevator. I was getting ready to answer 8 him. And Thomas said, "It's not her fault. We 9 fucked up." 10 MR. : And do you know why he 11 made that statement? 12 MS. NOEL: I think because we didn't do 13 the counts. Or he -. 14 MR. : But why did he say it 15 wasn't your fault? 16 MS. NOEL: Because I kept waking him up. 17 So maybe that's why he said that. 18 MR. : Was he trying to take 19 more of the responsibility? 20 MS. NOEL: I guess so. 21 MR. : Would that be? Um. 22 Alright. Is it true that if the count is not 23 done and the round sheet which is filled out 24 after 30 minutes also cannot be completed? 25 MS. NOEL: If the -? EFTA00118145

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 388 1 MR. : From 12:00 a.m. to 6:33 2 a.m. That's not actually my question. From 3 12:30 to 6:30 a.m., none of the rounds or 4 counts were completed. Correct? 5 MS. NOEL: Correct. 6 MR. : Alright. Is it true that 7 end of the shift the supervising lieutenant 8 signs and sends the completed log of the inmate 9 movements from the day? Do you know if that's 10 true? 11 MS. NOEL: I don't know what they sign, 12 but they sign something. I don't know what it 13 is. 14 MR. : Do they sign like for 15 instance the round sheets? Do the lieutenants 16 sign that? 17 MS. NOEL: Yes. They sign that. 18 MR. : But they don't sign the 19 count slips do they? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : Just the round sheets? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : Okay. And what is your 24 belief or understanding of how Epstein died? 25 MS. NOEL: Mm. He hung himself. EFTA00118146

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 389 1 MR. : So you believe he was 2 dead upon Thomas entering into the cell? 3 MS. NOEL: I don't know. Because I just 4 assumed he hung himself. Because I read the 5 (Indiscernible *04:38:24). 6 MR. : So do you believe Epstein 7 took his own life? 8 MS. NOEL: Yes. 9 MR. : Did someone else take 10 Epstein's life? 11 MS. NOEL: No. 12 MR. : Did anyone assist Epstein 13 with taking his life? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : Did Thomas take Epstein's 16 life? 17 MS. NOEL: No. 18 MR. : Did Thomas assist Epstein 19 with taking his life? 20 MS. NOEL: No. 21 MR. : Did you assist Epstein 22 with taking his life? 23 MS. NOEL: No. 24 MR. : Did you take Epstein's 25 life? EFTA00118147

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 390 1 MS. NOEL: No. 2 MR. : Did you have any part in 3 Epstein's death? 4 MS. NOEL: No. 5 MR. : Prior to Epstein dying, 6 did you have any communications - verbal, 7 electronic, handwritten, or otherwise - with 8 anyone - BOP staff members or otherwise, about 9 the safety and wellbeing of Epstein? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : Alright. Do you need me 12 to -? That was pretty long. Did you catch 13 everything I just asked you there? 14 MS. NOEL: Yes. 15 MR. : This is going to be 16 another long one. Prior to Epstein dying, did 17 you have any communications - verbal, 18 electronic, handwritten, or otherwise - with 19 anyone - BOP staff members or otherwise And 20 when I say otherwise I mean like civilians, 21 inmates, you know anybody on the streets. 22 MS. NOEL: Okay. 23 MR. : About the death of 24 Epstein or taking Epstein's life? 25 MS. NOEL: No. EFTA00118148

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 391 1 MR. : Did anyone ever offer you 2 anything such as something of value or favors 3 with regard to harming Epstein or taking his 4 life? 5 MS. NOEL: No. 6 MR. : Did anyone ever threaten 7 you in exchange for harming Epstein or taking 8 Epstein's life? 9 MS. NOEL: No. 10 MR. : Do you know anyone else 11 that those questions would have applied to? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : Do you know of anyone 14 else being offered anything to hurt Epstein or 15 taking his life? 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : No? Why wasn't Epstein 18 in his assigned cell on August 10, 2019? 19 MS. NOEL: That was his cell. 20 MR. : It wasn't. This is the 21 first you're hearing of that? 22 MS. NOEL: Yes. 23 MR. : So he wasn't in his 24 assigned cell. 25 MS. NOEL: What? I never knew that. EFTA00118149

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 392 1 MR. : Did you - but it kind of 2 doesn't surprise me because you said that you 3 didn't even know who was in what cell. You 4 just looked to see if people -. So Epstein is 5 assigned to the cell across the hall. He 6 wasn't in the cell that he was actually 7 assigned to. Do you -? 8 MS. NOEL: Wait. You said across the 9 hall? So like not in SHU? 10 MR. : The same tier. But you 11 know -- 12 MS. NOEL: Oh. 13 MR. : -- they do inmate cell 14 rotations? 15 MS. NOEL: No. 16 MR. : So you do not know that 17 inmates are moved from different cells? 18 MS. NOEL: Yeah. I know that. They move 19 you said if I know how they do that? I don't 20 know that. 21 MR. : Do you know how often? 22 MS. NOEL: Often they do that? I'm not 23 sure. 24 MR. : Are you responsible for 25 reviewing - as your assignment, duties, and EFTA00118150

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 393 1 responsibilities within the SHU - of verifying 2 that the inmates are in the cells that they're 3 assigned to? 4 MS. NOEL: I don't know if I'm responsible 5 for but there is -. Their ID cards are on the 6 door. 7 MR. : Was Epstein's ID card on 8 his door? 9 MS. NOEL: No. Not all of them. 10 MR. : Okay. Was there anything 11 else on the door? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : Was there anything on the 14 door that said something about him being 15 required to have a cellmate? 16 MS. NOEL: No. 17 MR. : So you don't know 18 anything about him not being in his assigned 19 cell? 20 MS. NOEL: I never knew that. 21 MR. : Okay. So this is the 22 first you're even hearing about it even since 23 the incident? 24 MS. NOEL: Right. 25 MR. : So you -? EFTA00118151

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 394 1 MS. NOEL: So you said he was assigned to 2 the cell across from him? Because that had 3 people in it. 4 MR. : He was - yeah. Because 5 of cell rotations. It doesn't mean that -- 6 MS. NOEL: Oh, okay. 7 MR. : I think as far as you 8 were concerned, he was in that cell. You 9 didn't move him to a different one. But 10 administratively, he was in a different cell 11 and was moved and the assignment didn't follow 12 him. 13 MS. NOEL: Oh, okay. 14 MR. : So on paper, he was 15 supposed to be in one cell. In reality he was 16 in another. 17 MS. NOEL: Okay. 18 MR. : So if you look in the 19 system and find out hey where was Epstein 20 supposed to be? He was supposed to be over 21 here from the paperwork in the book. 22 MS. NOEL: Oh, okay. 23 MR. : He was physically located 24 over here. 25 MS. NOEL: Okay. EFTA00118152

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 395 1 MR. : Did you ever have any 2 dealings with that? 3 MS. NOEL: I never even knew that. 4 MR. : so is this the one he was 5 s actually in? 6 MR. : Yeah. 7 MR. : So he was in cell 220. 8 He was assigned to cell 206. 9 MS. NOEL: Mm. 10 MR. : But that's not something 11 you dealt with? 12 MS. NOEL: No. 13 MR. : Did you ever deal with 14 rotating the inmates into different cells? 15 MS. NOEL: No. 16 MR. : Do you know who deals 17 with that? 18 MS. NOEL: No. 19 MR. : Do you ever see them get 20 rotated? 21 MS. NOEL: On the 8:00 to 4:00. 22 MR. : While - yeah. That's 23 what I'm asking. I'm not saying just for 24 Epstein. I'm saying like in general, have you 25 ever witnessed inmates being rotated to EFTA00118153

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 different cells? 2 MS. NOEL: One time. 3 MR. : One time? And how was 4 that - how does that play out? 5 MS. NOEL: I think - the day when 6 I saw it, was doing it. Like I don't 7 know. They told them to pack up. They pack up 8 they stuff, two people move them, and they go 9 to the cell that they supposed to go. 10 MR. : And then do you know what 11 they're supposed to do at that point with - in 12 order to make sure the paperwork follows them - 13 14 MS. NOEL: Oh. I don't know -- 15 MR. : -- to that cell? 16 MS. NOEL: -- about the paperwork. 17 MR. : Do you know who is 18 responsible for that? 19 MS. NOEL: No. 20 MR. : Would it be the 21 lieutenant in your opinion? Or you just don't 22 know. 23 MS. NOEL: I just don't know. 24 MR. : Okay. And is that 25 anything you've ever dealt with as far as like EFTA00118154

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 397 1 training or that you recall? 2 MS. NOEL: The cell rotation? No. 3 MR. : Do you know if it's 4 supposed to be every certain amount of days? 5 MS. NOEL: I know it's supposed to be 6 every certain amount of days, but I don't know. 7 MR. : Do you remember Epstein 8 ever being assigned to cell 206? 9 MS. NOEL: I don't know where cell 206 is. 10 That's the one across from where he was at? 11 MR. : They're both on L Tier, 12 so I'm just assuming. 13 MS. NOEL: Oh. 14 MR. : Because there's the 15 paperwork that shows that's not even the 16 number. 17 MS. NOEL: Yeah. The number is not on 18 here. I don't know what cell is 206. But -. 19 MR. : So when you're in the SHU 20 in July and August when he was - when Epstein 21 was assigned to the SHU. Do you recall him 22 ever being in a different cell than the cell 23 you found him in - or Thomas round him in on 24 August 10th? 25 MS. NOEL: Yes. He was downstairs. EFTA00118155

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 398 1 MR. : Downstairs? 2 MS. NOEL: On I think M tier with 3 Tartaglione. Because that was his cellmate 4 first. 5 MR. : Alright. So what about 6 on L Tier? You ever remember him being in a 7 different cell up there? 8 MS. NOEL: No. 9 MR. : No? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : Alright. So. So the 12 Tartaglione incident happened on July the 23rd. 13 He comes back on July 30th. From your 14 recollection from eh time that he came back and 15 he was with Reyes, he was always in that same 16 cell? 17 MS. NOEL: And in that (Indiscernible 18 *04:44:20) cell? Yes. 19 MR. : Alright. So maybe he 20 wasn't rotated but on paper it was rotated? 21 MS. NOEL: Maybe. 22 MR. : But you don't know 23 anything about it? 24 MS. NOEL: I don't know anything. No. 25 MR. : Okay. Do you know what EFTA00118156

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 399 1 BOP database tracks that? 2 MS. NOEL: No. 3 MR. : Why were there pill 4 bottles found on the top bunk of Epstein's 5 cell? 6 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 7 MR. : Do you know anything 8 about like medication or what was found in 9 there? 10 MS. NOEL: No. 11 MR. : Do you have any idea what 12 was even -? Did you ever go in Epstein's cell 13 prior to this incident? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : Do you know if Epstein 16 was authorized to have pills in his cell on the 17 SHU? 18 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 19 MR. : Do you know if that's 20 like abnormal or are inmates allowed to have 21 medications in the SHU? 22 MS. NOEL: No. 23 MR. : They're not allowed to? 24 MS. NOEL: They're not allowed. 25 MR. : Even if it's prescription EFTA00118157

LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 400 1 medication? 2 MS. NOEL: I don't know. 3 MR. : Do you ever provide 4 inmates prescription medication when you're 5 working in the SHU? 6 MS. NOEL: No. The nurse does. 7 MR. : The nurse comes around? 8 MS. NOEL: Yeah. 9 MR. : So is that surprising to 10 hear that there were medication in his cell? 11 MS. NOEL: Yes. 12 MR. : And you knew nothing 13 about that being in there? 14 MS. NOEL: No. 15 MR. : Is it SHU policy for 16 things like medication - is it different than 17 the other housing units? 18 MS. NOEL: Yes because I think on housing 19 units they can have prescription medication in 20 their cell. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MS. NOEL: But in SHU they can't. 23 MR. : And do you know that to 24 be a fact? Or is that just your belief? 25 MS. NOEL: I don't know it to be fact. EFTA00118158