From: Deepak Chopra <[email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:15 PM To: jeffrey E. Subject: Re: Einsteins Time Re: SV: [Sadhu Sanga] Consciousness Apoptosis suggests group consciousness Love for wholeness 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 The Chopra Foundation<http://www.choprafoundation.orgh<http://www.choprafoundation.orgh [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/l/SlryZ4SaSrL._SL500_55115_.jpg] <http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishing-Optimum-Well-Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom07-20> <http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishi ng-Optimum-Well -Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom 07-20>Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing<http://www.amazon.com/Super- Genes-Astonishing-Opti mum-Well-Bei ng/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom 07-20> From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 9:10:32 AM To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: Einsteins Time Re: SV: [Sadhu Sanga] Consciousness never tiresome, tiresome is without curiousity tiresome is akin to boring. . the science is much easier than you think. einstein thought the cat ate. didnt need to be watched. observed etc. . didnt change the fact. I m curious why people need to feel validated. cells in the body, send signals to their neighbors. constantly asking , if the cell i in the right place. if not it should kill itself. apotosis. - it prevents a liver cell from invading your kidneys. and hence cancer, I wonder if it is the scaled up version of the individual cell. . validate myself to know i am really here. On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:05 AM, Deepak Chopra <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Yes I know he did not believe in God - as understood in the west For me God is Pure Consciousness = Pure Potentiality An observer independent reality is current science consensus . It is however impossible to prove EFTA_R1_01309145 EFTA02342293

Max Planck " You cannot get behind consciousness " I know I'm getting tiresome Love Deepak Chopra 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 IX] Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing<http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishing-Optimum-Well-Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom07- 20> On Aug 10, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Jeffrey E. <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: einstein thought that the cat still ate whether or not you saw it , or imagined it. he did not believe at all , not one iota in a god. he spoke german, so many translations read into what they prefer. On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Deepak Chopra <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: FYI See thread Deepak Chopra 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 IX] Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing<http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishing-Optimum-Well-Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom07- 20> Begin forwarded message: From: Deepak Chopra <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» Date: August 10, 2016 at 7:32:32 AM EDT To: Alex Hankey <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» Subject: Re: Einsteins Time Re: SV: ISadhu Sangal Consciousness Alex There is a v interesting report of a conversation between Tagore and Einstein in 1930 . Google it please ! 2 EFTA_R1_01309146 EFTA02342294

Einstein said that the scientific view of the universe was independently verifiable . Tagore insisted that the scientific view was that of the scientific human being ! Not knowing how thought or perceptual experience happens we create models of reality and mistake models for reality for reality . Truth/ Reality cannot be accessed through any system of thought - religious theological scientific philosophical or mathematical . When questioned all good scientists will concede that science is a good model for creating technology but not necessarily grasping truth . Being/ Existence/ Awareness is accessible to all sentient beings . Words are clumsy inventions to describe experience and awareness and knowing of experience . Rumi " God's language is silence . Everything else is poor translation." love is such an experience . It's not a mere sentiment but truth More later Cheers Deepak Chopra 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Ix) Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing<http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishing-Optimum-Well-Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom07- 20> On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Alex Hankey <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Dear Deepak, Your statement that our current models of the universe are just metaphors is extraordinarily interesting. Have you written much on this line of thought? Do please send me a couple of leads. Thanks for your attention to this, Best wishes, Alex From: Deepak Chopra <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» Date: 9 August 2016 at 09:30 Subject: Einsteins Time Re: SV: [Sadhu SangaJ Consciousness To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» Time is an experience and the knowing from that experience based on the rotation of the Earth and its revolution around the sun . 3 EFTA_R1_01309147 EFTA02342295

Current theories of time based on cosmological concepts of time make assumptions about the universe in human terms i.e. When we say 13.8 billion years ago the universe began with a Big Bang we are speaking in terms of Earth time . Hence those theories may be flawed and can be used only in terms of metaphor . Therefore current models can only be understood as metaphors We have humanized the universe Deepak Chopra 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing<http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishing-Optimum-Well-Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom07- 20> On Aug 9, 2016, at 1:59 AM, Brad Bartholomew <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Hello everyone I am wondering if anyone can see the flaw in this logic. Time is the speed the Earth rotates. Humans have known time for a short while and the universe has been around for a long while. Ergo the speed the Earth rotates can't bend the universe. If someone can spot the flaw then Einstein was right. If there is no flaw in this logic then General Relativity is nonsense. Kind regards Brad On 8 Aug 2016 11:34 p.m., "Kari Ross-Berry" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: A little Classical Samkhya, one of the six Hindu Darsanas, might be helpful here in bringing spiritual and scientific knowledge into a better understanding of one another. For those who do not know it it is an enumeration of the manifest and unmanifest cosmology. I've attached a basic chart of the enumeration of Samkhya for anyone who cares to reference it. In Samkhya, consciousness is called Purusa and is unmanifest, which makes it unique and theoretically separate from manifest nature or Prakriti. Science operates in the realm of Prakriti or manifest nature entirely. On a basic level science measures, proves, and qualifies. It cannot measure, prove, or qualify anything that is unmanifest. This measuring proving and qualifying are attributes of Ahamkara, or ego. Which is one step up the chain from Manas, or mind, known as the computer of the senses. Here it can only make connections and conjectures. Science also deals in abstractions, which are based almost completely in this part of the mind called Ahamkara. These abstractions could be attributed to Buddhi, which in the chain of Samkhya, is sometimes called intellect or will. It is 4 EFTA_R1_01309148 EFTA02342296

important here to note that will is not consciousness in the contemplative spiritual traditions of the East. Here a scientist or spiritual seeker may make a projection based on the knowledge gained in manas and qualified in ahamkara towards a revelation of pure consciousness (Puruasa). Mathematicians, physicists, and yogis work tirelessly here using known equations and practices, and sometimes they develop new ones creating new pathways, as they try to 'prove' or 'realize' these projections or explorations. A teacher who has gone beyond this stage is valuable beyond measure in helping others to overcome one's well worn pathways of thought and action towards a rewiring of the individual. Another qualification that may be helpful to this conversation is the difference between Advaita Vedanta and Dvaita Vedanta. It is clear that there are those that understand this well in this conversation, and others that may not. Please forgive me if this is too elemetary. Advaita Vedanta believes that there is only one consciousness and that this consciousness, for lack of better language, 'underlies' the entire universe and is the same consciousness that dwells within all of us--a unity of consciousness. Dvaita Vedanta, on the other hand, believes in multiple souls and separates an individual consciousness from the ultimate consciousness which goes by many names. Classical Samkhya as discussed above is Dvaitist. As is Classical Yoga and the Bhakti movements. Advaita Vedanta also has a form of Samkhya similar to the Classical version discussed here. In this version Purusa and Prakriti are polarities within a whole rather than separate. I hope this has been helpful to the Western scientists within this conversation. Or, those that may not have the philosophical background our Eastern sages, philosopher's and scientists grew up with. My intent is to offer up a clearer understanding of what is meant by consciousness in the Contemplative Traditions. I welcome any correction or further depth by those with deeper knowledge on this subject. When I was a girl of four or five my father, who was an abstract mathematician, told me that 2+2 rarely equals 4. He told me that anyone who stated otherwise did not understand mathematics. In my studies of Vedanta I was given the Kena Upanisad which speaks to seekers of knowledge: 'I do not think that I know it well. Nor do I think that I do not know it. He among us who knows it, knows it and he, too, does not know that he does not know it. To whomever it is not known, to him it is known. To whomever it is known, he does not know. It is not understood by those who understand it. It is understood by those who do not understand it. When it is known through every state of cognition, it is rightly known. for (by such knowledge) one attains life eternal. Through one's own self one gains power and through wisdom one gains immortality. If here one knows it, then there is truth, and if here one knows it not, there is great loss. Hence, seeing (the Real) in all beings, wise men become immortal on departing from this world.' Kena Upanisad 2:2-5 (Radhakrishnan 1953) And so the conversations unfolds as seekers of knowledge. Thank you for including me on this chain of inquiry. I am humbled and honored. Kari Ross-Berry M.A. 5 EFTA_R1_01309149 EFTA02342297

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Oliver Manuel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Seventy-one years ago, the ethical train wreck that now engulf society began when <i>"powers beyond the dreams of scientific fiction"</i> destroyed Hiroshima on <b>6 AUG 1945</b>. Two months later, nations and national academies of sciences were united under the UN on <b>24 OCT 1945</b> to "forever" divide humanity between<b>: 1. A few who would rule the world with "secret knowledge", and 2. The ignorant masses that would forever serve as their slaves.</b> Thanks to the AGW scandal, the <i>"secret knowledge"</i> dividing humanity now crumbles like the walls of Jerico: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/HigherPower.pdf On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Dr. Bhakti Niskama Shanta <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Dear Dr. Deepak Chopra Ji Namaskar. You have correctly mentioned that 5rimad Bhagavad-gita explains about the soul (atman) that "water cannot wet it, fire cannot burn it, weapons cannot shatter it. It is ancient unborn and deathless". Soul is unaffected by these material elements, because, soul is superior energy (marginal energy: tatastha-Sakti) of Supreme Absolute and matter (water, fire and material weapons) is inferior energy (external energy: bahiranga Sakti) of Supreme Absolute. bh0mir apo 'nalo vayufi kharh mano buddhir eva ca ahatikara itiyarh me bhinna prakrtir astadha (5rimad Bhagavad-gita: 7.4) Translation: Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence, and ego are the eight divisions of My illusory potency in this world. apareyam itas tv anyarh prakrtith viddhi me param jiva-bh0tath maha-baho yayedarh dharyate jagat (5rimad Bhagavad-gita: 7.5) Translation: O mighty hero, Arjuna, this external, worldly nature is inferior. But know that superior to this nature is My marginal potency, comprised of the individual souls. Worldly existence is adopted by the souls for enjoyment through fruitive actions. (The divine world emanates from My internal potency and the mundane world from My external potency. The potency of the living beings is known as marginal as they are constitutionally situated midway between these planes. They may choose to reside either in the mundane plane or the divine.} Vedic system advises that one should learn 5rimad Bhagavad-gita and the Vedic wisdom under a qualified teacher (Sri Guru) and then only one can realize it as it is. Srimad Bhagavad-gita does not support impersonalist view. Please let us know what you have to say about the several verses in 5rimad Bhagavad-gita that clearly highlights the personalist view. For example: ajo 'pi sann avyayatma bhutanam iSvaro 'pi san prakrtirh svam adhisthaya sambhavamy atma-mayaya 6 EFTA_R1_01309150 EFTA02342298

( rimad Bhagavad-gita: 4.6) Translation: Although My eternal form is transcendental to birth and death, and I am the Lord of all beings, I appear within the world in My divine nature, by My sweet will, extending My internal potency. avyaktarh vyaktim apannaM manyante mam abuddhayah parath bhavam ajananto mamavyayam anuttamam (Srimad Bhagavad-gita: 7.24) Translation: My eternal superexcellent nature—My form, qualities, activities and pastimes are all transcendental, but unwise persons cannot know the truth, and they think, "The formless Brahman took birth in Vasudeva's cell as an ordinary human being." ri-bhagavan uvaca mayy aveya mano ye math nitya-yukta upasate graddhaya parayopetas to me yukta-tama matab (Srimad Bhagavad-gita: 12.2) Translation: The Supreme Lord said: In My opinion, those who with faith in the divine are absorbed in thought of Me, tyarnasundara, and worship Me constantly with exclusive devotion, are the superior knowers of yoga. Srimad Bhagavad-gita clearly highlights the personalist view. The verse 2.12 from Srimad Bhagavad-gita completely refutes the idea of singularity of consciousness, where Bhagavan Sri Krishna says to Arjuna: "na tv evaharh jatu nasarh na tvath neme janadhipah na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param — Never was there a time when you, I or all these kings did not exist, just as we exist in the present, so have we existed in the past, so shall we continue to exist in the future." Therefore, according to the Vedantic view, the plurality of individuals is an eternal fact, and it is confirmed in other Vedic sources (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13 says: nityo nityanaM cetan8 cetananam — We are eternal, we are many, and Supreme Absolute is also eternal, but He is one) and by authentic teachers like Sripad Ramanuja Acharya and other Vaisnava Acaryas. We will be happy to know your views on these conclusions of Srimad Bhagavad-gita. Sincerely, Bhakti Niskama Shanta, Ph.D. Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute (https://newoldstamp.com/editorflimages/mobile_g.png] +91-(9748906907) (https://newoldstamp.com/editor//images/email_g.png) Donate<http://scienceandscientist.org/donate> [https://newoldstamp.com/editorliimages/website_g.png] www.scsiscs.org<http://www.scsiscs.orgh [https://newoldstamp.com/editorflimages/address_g.png] #8, Gopalakrishnan Mansion, Konappana Agrahara, Electronic City, Bangalore, Karnataka, India [https://newoldstamp.com/editor/images/f.jpg]<http://facebook.com/scsiscs> 7 EFTA_R1_01309151 EFTA02342299

On Sunday, 7 August 2016 12:38 AM, Deepak Chopra <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: The inner self which is pure consciousness has no form . Having no form it is beyond birth and death ( non local ) Upanishads ( Gita )" Water cannot wet it , fire cannot burn it , weapons cannot shatter it . It is ancient unborn and deathless " That which has form is in time , a transient pattern of behavior of the formless and subject to birth and death . Tagore " In this playhouse of infinite forms I caught sight of the formless and so my life was blessed . Only the formless is real ! Deepak Chopra 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 IX] Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing<http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishing-Optimum-Well-Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom07- 20> On Aug 6, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Brad Bartholomew <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Dear Deepak By "formless consciousness" are we to understand that you have rejected the explanation for consciousness given in the Upanishads which unambiguously attributes consciousness to the operations of the Inner Self. Kind regards Brad On 6 Aug 2016 20:20, "Deepak Chopra" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: The brain is perceived in the same way as a rock No experience happens in the brain - only electrochemical activity Experience occurs in formless consciousness including the experience of a brain in a cadaver , in surgery or a CTScan Deepak Chopra 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Ix] Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing<http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishing-Optimum-Well-Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom07- 20> 8 EFTA_R1_01309152 EFTA02342300

On Aug 6, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Brad Bartholomew <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Dear Deepak I beg to differ on this. The universe is a random mass of EM waves that the human brain interprets. The brain itself is not a random mass of EM waves; it is an electronic computing machine that must run according to a program that generates consciousness. You say that consciousness is the ultimate reality and I say it is the program that codes for consciousness which is the ultimate reality so you see we are not that far apart. In fact henceforth I shall call this program Cosmic Consciousness and we can be in complete agreement. Kind regards Brad On 6 Aug 2016 10:10, "Deepak Chopra" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Brad The human brain is also electromagnetic waves and has no privileged position over a galaxy or a piece of rock or a grain of sand or a thought. If you substitute the word consciousness for brain I'm with you . All perpetual objects including brain and Galaxy are modified forms of consciousness Deepak Chopra 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Ixj Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing<http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishing-Optimum-Well-Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom07- 20> On Aug 6, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Brad Bartholomew <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Dear Deepak Well I absolutely agree with you as well. The fact is that without a human brain to observe it then the universe would be a mass of electromagnetic waves and would be as invisible as a cell phone network. Ask not whence comes the universe but ask whence comes the human brain. However I don't agree with you that we can never know reality. The only issue is whether the universe is a physical reality or a virtual reality. Given the fact that the universe is a construct of the human brain then it must be a virtual reality as per the Hindu tradition. There's no doubt there's something real happening out there, and its just a matter of locating the data. Kind regards Brad On 4 Aug 2016 10:07 p.m., "Deepak Chopra" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Thank you Avatar What you say makes total sense to me Warm regards 9 EFTA_R1_01309153 EFTA02342301

Deepak Chopra 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 (X) Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing<http://www.amazon.com/Super-Genes-Astonishing-Optimum-Well-Being/dp/0804140138/deepakchcom07- 20> On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Asingh2384 <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]» wrote: Hi Deepak: Enjoyed your video on Stephen Hawking and other atheists' positions. You have eloquently described the current limitations of the mainstream science to describe the "Ontological Primitive Reality" or existence. As you mention, current scientific theories include EM strong and weak nuclear forces and gravity. However, so far science has been unable to develop and integrate the missing physics of anti-gravity or spontaneous expansion of the universe as evidenced by Hubble. Einstein tried to fudge the anti-gravity via a fudge factor — "Cosmological Constant" that he later called his biggest blunder. The recent Supernova observations have pointed to an accelerated expansion (beyond the linear Hubble expansion) in the far-field universe leading to the speculation of Dark (unknown) Energy signifying a strong anti-gravity force in the universe. What is astonishing that when the physics of the well-known spontaneous decay of particles is integrated into general relativity, it leads to a physical mechanistic theory of anti-gravity that predicts the empirical observations of the universe, explains the dark energy and accelerated expansion of the universe. It also resolves the key paradoxes of QM eliminating the Big Bang singularity and associated incredible phenomena such as the superluminous inflation, multiple universes, and eventual death of a purposeless universe. What is even more wondrous that such an integrated model of the physics of spontaneity provides a scientific (physical and mathematical) basis for the Zero point state of the "Ontological Primitive Reality" described as the unmanifested (fully dilated mass/energy), Eternity (fully dilated time), Omnipresence (fully dilated space) at the speed of light. (This is synchronous with the experiences of the spiritual masters and sages during deep meditation or Samadhi or Enlightenment (fully dilated Ego)). What is significant and noteworthy here is that in spite of the fact that such a Zero-point state is immeasurable (unmanifested) and experimentally unverifiable, but it is humanly experience-able, repeatable, and it does follow the same sets of universal laws that predict the empirically observed universe resolving its current paradoxes. It also leads to a scientifically describable universal consciousness or existence synonymous with the "Ontological Primal Reality". Mainstream science needs to recognize and integrate the missing physics of spontaneity as a possible panacea to curing the current paralysis of science as well as solving the mystery of the observed universe and the experienced consciousness. Such an integrated approach would not only bridge science and spirituality, but also provide purpose and meaning to the universe and life in it. Best Regards Avtar Singh, Sc.D. Alumni, MIT 10 EFTA_R1_01309154 EFTA02342302