Page 166 1 written down anywhere? 2 A. No. 3 Q. It's my understanding that C. and T. 4 either came to his house alone to visit with Mr. 5 Epstein or brought other girls in their age group 6 to Mr. Epstein. 7 Were you familiar with that type of 8 recruitment process of girls bringing other girls? 9 MR. CRITTON: Form. 10 THE WITNESS: Yes. 11 BY MR. EDWARDS: 12 Q. Can you tell me more about what you know 13 about girls bringing other girls that are 14 relatively the same age to come to Jeffrey 15 Epstein's house and to use your words, have a good 16 time? 17 MR. CRTITON: Form. 18 THE WITNESS: It's hard to know who they 19 knew. But I think that was -- they feel 20 better themselves when they're in a group 21 than going by themselves, but I don't know 22 somebody recruiting. 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 24 Q. Okay. And you've talked about, at least 25 referred to yourself I believe to the police and 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 168 for now we'll call it a massage -- as well as anybody who brought that person over to the house, they would both get paid cash. Are you familiar with that? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. If C. brought another girl over to the house and C. stayed downstairs but this other girl went upstairs with Mr. Epstein, which one would you pay? A. I don't know because I was told who to pay. Q. And always told you? A. told me pay so and so. Q. So if we were going to ask anybody else about the exact method in terms of who would get paid and for what, who would the people be? I mean, other than Mr. Epstein who else could we ask these • ns? A. Q. A. Yes. Q. She would know this? A. Yes. Page 167 1 as well today as a human ATM machine. Right? 2 MR. CRITTON: Form. 3 THE WITNESS: Something like that. I was 4 supposed to carry cash at all times. 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 Q. One of the primary reasons why you 7 carried cash was to pay the girls in this age 8 group of C. and T. for whatever happened at the 9 house. Right? 10 MR. CRITTON: Form. 11 THE WITNESS: Yes. 12 BY MR. EDWARDS: 13 Q. That's a fair statement. Right? 14 MR. CRITTON: Form. 15 THE WITNESS: Yes. 16 BY MR. EDWARDS: 17 Q. Okay. And when C., let's use her for 18 example, would bring somebody else to the house, 19 did you pay C. as well as whomever she brought to 20 the house, pay them both? 21 A. No, I pay only one person, 22 Q. Okay. My understanding, and tell me if 23 this is wrong or you can corroborate this, is that 24 Mr. Epstein would pay the girl that was actually 25 performing whatever was happening in the room -- 414•••••=4. Page 169 1 Q. What about Ghislaine Maxwell? 2 MR. CRITTON: Form. 3 THE WITNESS: You're talking about the 4 boss. I don't know. 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 Q. To your knowledge was Ghislaine Maxwell 7 aware of these girls that are in the age group of 8 C. and T. coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house to 9 have a good time? 10 MR. CRITTON: Form. 11 THE WITNESS: I have to say something. 12 Mrs. Maxwell called me and told me not to 13 ever discuss or contact her again in a 14 threaten way. 15 BY MR. EDWARDS: 16 Q. When was this? 17 A. Right after I left because I call one of 18 the friends for a job and she told me this, but, 19 you know, I feel intimidated and so I want to keep 20 her out. 21 Q. What exactly did she say? First of all, 22 was this a telephone call? 23 A. Yes, she was in New York. 24 Q. She called you on your cell phone? 25 A. Yes. Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 305-866-7688 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 43 (Pages 166 to 169) EFTA_R1_02213373 EFTA02725807