win 0 Y Y Hello. Hi. Hi, how are you? Good. This is Detective Recarrier. Mommies, please. I'm calling you. Hi. Yeah, I have a victim. You sit up here. Okay. I'm definitely here if you would like to talk to her. Okay. What I wanted to do was talk with you a little bit about what you had told me before. And if you could, just have to step away, step out of the room for a moment, so we can talk about what you had told me before. Okay. I'm going to go over my house. Okay. I just heard your voice, man. It said that you were completely truthful with those of funny parents. I just want you to go over everything with me again as to what transpired exactly. I went there. I was in a place. Back up for a second. Back up for a second. You went there twice. Two times, right? Yeah. First time you went, what happened? The first time I went to, and it was almost some both times. It was almost some both times when I didn't accept the money. The first time I did that was the money. The second time I did, I don't know why I guess it was just really scared. And I walked over the house and I was just like, I want to leave. Okay. How did you get to Chess House? Yeah. Because I didn't know them. Okay. So, what did you do? She just sat there on the kitchen. She sat in the kitchen. Really? Okay. Who brought you to Jeff? Uh, this girl. Yeah, I was young. She took you where? Upstairs. The girl upstairs to a bedroom? Yeah, to a bedroom. I was like, I was freaked out. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to expect. I was just freaked out. I was just so scared. I didn't want to tell you guys about my parents. I was just so uncomfortable. If you would come back again to my house, I would probably want to tell you where I wanted to call you. Okay. I'm so curious. Are you reaching out to me and talking to me? Because during the investigation, obviously, we do find out all the things. Yeah. Where there last night we know. I know that happened. But I knew you. I knew you knew. Push the issue. Yeah. Okay. Let me go from there or exactly what happened. You wanted to the bedroom? Yeah. I was about to be trying to touch me and I stopped with him. Okay. And I was going way too fast. Oh, sorry? Was he in the room already when you went into the room? No. Okay. What did Sarah do when she left you to the room? She looked up to the bed in the first floor. Okay. I don't know what they're called, but just like a little like, she like said it happened. She left. But she was really nice. Like, I didn't know what to expect. Like, you know, so, but that's all about happened and then you came up and I was like shaking. Like, I was shaking. I was really bad. Okay. And I didn't expect you to do anything for a while. Like, I didn't even think you could touch me. Like, I was like, okay, you've done touch me and I was like, I didn't think I could touch you. You wouldn't touch me. Okay. And then, like, at the end, like, where you, were you closed or were you in? Yeah. I was like, closed and then he tried to like touch me like, try to like, tear off my shirt. It's like, you're not sure. Yeah. And I like, thought was out. And I just walked down through and then I was like, okay, look down. And I just, I didn't like, one of the ones to forget about it. And I just never thought about it again. And I just like, I've already gone. Okay. But you went back. I went back like, a little bit again. And he tried doing a little bit more. And he told him, don't touch me. Just like, don't touch me. And I'm saying. And like, he tried to, I thought, I thought, wasn't again. And then I just left again. And then I did it again. And then I never went back. Okay. I don't know why I didn't know why I did that. But I can't. I can't. I can't. Take you. Yeah. Okay. You took you the second time you won. Mm-hmm. And where was you doing the second time that this happened? Well, although I was way downstairs. Okay. And who brought you up? Where would you up again? Okay. You set up the room again. Was there? Yeah. Unfortunately, he worked. Okay. So that's like us what she does. Oh, you know what's the last name? No, I have a new idea. Okay. All right. So then after you were taking upstairs, did that was just in the room already? No, he wasn't in the room. He wasn't in the room. He was never in the room at first. Okay. How does he come into the room? He just walks her down. He's open to the door. He's like, hi, hi, are you? And my key, like, I don't know. First, I didn't know that he was touching. Because he takes a business call and stuff like that. Like, he displays there. And I was like, I don't know. I always feel comfortable. Like, I didn't think I would think of that. I thought I was here to massage him. And my understanding was that he didn't touch us along. I was like, hoping you wouldn't do anything. But he was like, taking business calls and stuff like that. Like, okay, you know. Okay. When he tried, I was just freaked out. Okay. When he came into the room, did he, was he clothed or was he, whether or was he in the towel? He was clothed. If he was dressed. So then how did you give him a massage if he was dressed? Well, he put it, he went into this room and he put a towel around him. Okay. Because there's another room in there and he went through him and he put a towel around his body. And I turned around and he lay down and then he was covered. Like, it was just his back, really. Okay. So he was completely with a towel on at all times. Yeah. He never took off the towel. No. Okay. What were your expectations when you went upstairs? What were you told that you would have to do? To massage him and like to talk to him, like to see if I'm with him. Okay. Did he ever bring out any kind of sex toys? Oh no. I would have been more down the door. Okay. Like I was, anyways, I got left and I was just like, you know, I'm going to leave. I was out with him. Okay. So we did never, because I'm assuming that's the one that set up just thing for you, right? Yes. Okay. Did I ever tell you what you would have to do to get paid and how much? She had paid not with us. I heard with always 200. 200 for the massage. No. Yeah. That's with us. Do you have any massage training? Because training. Honestly, I want to be massage therapist when I get older. Did you ever ask you your age? I don't remember. You don't remember? Uh-huh. I was very cool. I was very cool. I don't remember. Over here ago. Yeah. Okay. Are you going to want to get this thing back to you? Because if you want to call me and just say, I mean, I just don't want to say that. So is there a conversation between me and you? Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. I just don't want to say now. Okay. Start your way. Okay. Okay. But I'll have another victim and then I'll go around. Okay. Alright. Well, here we go. Yes. Okay. See you. You've already... I'm sure you guys have been here before. Did I talk to the other guy that came over my house? That was me. Oh, that was you. Okay. Oh, that was you. Okay. I mean, my sergeant, George Frick. Okay. Yeah. I assume you guys already came over here. Right. Okay. We'll see you here now with me. So if you would blow up the top for her. Okay. Well, let me just go over a few things with you here. The second time that you went, were you closed? Yes. I closed the road time. You never took off your clothes? No, he tried, but I bowed down. Okay. Were you in... Were you ever in your undergarments? No. No. I had that pulled on. Yeah. Okay. Um... When he tried to touch you, where... Where did he try to touch? Like bottom and upper body. Okay. Your... Your products? Yeah. Did he touch your products? He tried to. I pushed his hand away. Okay. I told him I would... No, I don't feel comfortable to not touch me. Okay. Did he touch your breast area? He tried to. I did the same thing. Okay. And... Did he ever touch you? No. He never touched me anymore, don't I? No, I don't. No. I wouldn't... No, I would have done the same thing. Or I would have walked out. Okay. So there was no contact with the vagina area at all? No. No. Okay. I don't know what other girls have done, but... Well, you know what other girls do, you know? Yeah, yeah. And I'm not like that. You know what I am. So I can't believe I even did this because I'm not like that. I don't know why I did. I just totally didn't expect anything like a stab. And you know? All right. But I can see all the other hairs. Okay. Do you know if... Made any money by bringing you older? Um... I'm not sure if she did. My both-time. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if she made money. Okay. Did you ever touch himself like you were massaging him? No. No. He never touched himself and his... No, there was. Not with me. He has, and I don't know if he's ever done that. The other girl has been not with me. Not with you. So... Okay. Did you attempt to massage him? Did you do anything? No. Not with my name. Okay. Then he knows the other girl. He has been with me for a while. Right. No, I'm sure. Yeah. Um... Okay, after he was done, what happened? I just... I went downstairs. I just went to a place. What was said... What was said when you were leaving? Either by any one. I don't know. Nothing. I was just like, bye. I was... I was trying to leave. I thought it was going to come to a while ago. I just don't know if they're there. Okay. Okay. What did you tell you after the incident took place? If he asked me out, what happened after that was very nervous and scared. And I just don't want to do this again. And that was the second time to hear it. I said it's both times. And after the second time, I was like, I'm not doing this again. I'm not doing this again. I'm not doing this again. I was doing it. That's why you're stopping. Yeah. It hasn't arrived after I stopped being in front of her. So after that, I just didn't want to be in front of her. We just didn't hang out as much. And then I just totally stepped on her and... And that's been... That's been about like... 78 months. This is when this happened 78 months ago. Yeah, this happened a year ago. But I stopped being in front of her like 78 months. So you were like still fine. Maybe like two or three months after that. Okay. No, I'm not friends with her anymore. I don't know if there are any more, I don't have to... I don't know. I haven't heard about them for so long. Yeah. The part that I have with... That is because she is under age. Yeah, reach out and just talk to her without her parental consent. Without her parents knowing that I'm talking to her. The parents don't need to be there if I'm talking to her. It's her choice. At first, is she'd rather meet up with you? Okay. Would you like to come here now? Unfortunately, I'm not in that area right now. But I would like to talk to her. Okay, she's with us fine. She works at five o'clock though every night. So if you can come tomorrow... Where did it work at? She's at... She's at Colorado. She has that CSA. We both look at this place. She has those... Kind of like... What's the word, yay? But for the marketing, kind of like... Now, you're at Colorado. You can collect your areas and stuff like that. Okay. Yeah, it's a fun reason. Also, you're the guy that called out at night... Say... No, no. It's not... It's not for disdain, you want to put that thing... Oh, yeah. Yeah, but it's not a known. It's not a known. Okay. But, yeah, it's a fun reason. Like, you know... We just like get people and I like fun nights. And they work every day at five o'clock. Yeah, it's the Monday to Friday. If you can meet up with her, like... During the weekday before five... What time does she get out of school? She said she can meet up with you tomorrow morning before school. She isn't going to 11. She doesn't go to 11 a.m. Yeah. Yeah. We all do. She's not going to be at the hospital. Okay, what school does she go to? What time does she get out of school? You all the time do you guys go home? I don't get out of the morning. She walk it out into the morning. So, what? I do not go to 3 or 4, I'm going to go to 11 a.m. Oh, 155. Okay, so let's say 2 o'clock. She gets out of 2. Yes, you. Okay. So, perhaps maybe after school? Maybe after school? Yeah, I don't know. Yes, do what you want to meet her. Okay. Write down this number. I'll give you my cell phone number. You all right? Yeah. Okay. And then write up this school. I'll put this saying down. You just keep it in your mind. If you talk to me or if you want me to speak to you, you just tell him the reason. That's it, just be truthful with me. Otherwise, I don't want to have to go back to the house. That's the thing. You know? Yeah. Okay. So, why don't you go to the school? Why don't you go to the school? You don't have to go to the school. I don't know. I'll just go to the school. Yeah. I'm going to get out of school. Let's go back to the house, that's the thing, you know. Yeah. Okay. That's very right. Has everything you told me been true and correct to the best of your knowledge? Yes. And you put a guy's about that? Yes. Okay. And you just can't let him hear anything? No, not, not, no. I have already been interviewed. What did she say? I can't really tell you. Okay. There are a lot of people who have been interviewed in this case. Yeah. So, but, um, you have not received any phone calls from anyone? No. You have not received the phone call from... No, I haven't. I haven't talked to her. I know. She has never used to call me. She has to call me. Okay. Yeah. I've seen her, you need to call me. Okay. Yeah. I never talked to her. I'm talking to her when I was there. So, just to get to straight in my mind, when? What was she about working for Jeff? Did you know that you were going to go over there for the purpose of giving a massage? Yeah, I knew that, but it was going to be bad because I was saying, going, going, going, going, going. You should have a tell me. You might have to remove your clothing. No. You should have a tell you that he might be touching you. She, she, she, that if he does try anything, just walk out. And so, are you just, are you, she won't come to a lot. She said that she's like, if? So. Okay. And she's talking more. That's how much you were going to make. She said, I'm just too, too, 100. But I guess it's, it's that, for every. Yeah, very, so every girl, I guess, I don't know. Okay. So, I guess it's been such a long time. I don't even know how to talk to them and so, so long. I don't even talk to Jeff for them, I'm alone. Okay. She's talking. All right. I greatly appreciate it. And just if you can have, if you look, give me a call tomorrow. When she's out of school and will meet, I'll be out in that area. Okay. And then when she does get out of school, I'll be in that area already. Okay. It's coming right? Joe, recurring. Joe, okay. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you. Okay. I was a phone call, too. I had a time on my watch now at 405 PM on the 4th of October of 2005.